Help understanding COD

[ckcs]

I've been reading up more on Lionheads and Theresa Mueller attempts towards getting them accepted by ARBA. As I understand things if her Tortoise or REW pass this year then they will be an accepted breed. What I don't understand is what is happening at the shows. Is the ARBA looking at conformity to the standards of perfection to see that it can consistently be achieved? Any information you can share would be appreciated. I checked the arba site and it gave a simple paragraph then linked me to a $20 book.

 

[Bad Habit]

As I understand it, Theresa Mueller has to successfully show(and pass) three generations of the same colour, when it is being held against the COD. Someone else will probably be able to give you greater detail though, lol.

 

[amandainohio24]

I know that if she passes again in October the breed will become a recognized breed, crosses fingers and toes that she passes again.

 

[Prisma]

Its part of the process to make sure the breed is a viable and as put will breed true. It takes more than just one person's consistant interest or a breed to breed true to become a recognized breed. Breeders, judges, and breed group have to promot it and keep it active. If there is not enough interest, would not matter how true it bred when it comes to becoming a recognized breed from what I understand.

 

[phillinley]

Its part of the process to make sure the breed is a viable and as put will breed true. It takes more than just one person's consistant interest or a breed to breed true to become a recognized breed. Breeders, judges, and breed group have to promot it and keep it active. If there is not enough interest, would not matter how true it bred when it comes to becoming a recognized breed from what I understand.

I know that's the intent, but there are too many times when breeds that are obviously established and hugely popular are being held back because the COD only allows one person to present at a time. The lionheads situation is becoming a bit ridiculous. We'd probably have numbers close to netherland dwarfs and mini rex and local shows if they'd only allow them to be show as non-exhibition. At the same time, there are plenty of varieties that get passed lickety split 1,2,3 passes, and hardly anyone breeds them. Just some pet project a couple breeders cooked up.

I can't stand the look of Lionheads or Velveteen Lops, but it's just stupid that neither of those are recognized breeds yet given the number of people out there who have them.

 

[SatinsRule]

Its part of the process to make sure the breed is a viable and as put will breed true. It takes more than just one person's consistant interest or a breed to breed true to become a recognized breed. Breeders, judges, and breed group have to promot it and keep it active. If there is not enough interest, would not matter how true it bred when it comes to becoming a recognized breed from what I understand.

I know that's the intent, but there are too many times when breeds that are obviously established and hugely popular are being held back because the COD only allows one person to present at a time. The lionheads situation is becoming a bit ridiculous. We'd probably have numbers close to netherland dwarfs and mini rex and local shows if they'd only allow them to be show as non-exhibition. At the same time, there are plenty of varieties that get passed lickety split 1,2,3 passes, and hardly anyone breeds them. Just some pet project a couple breeders cooked up.

I can't stand the look of Lionheads or Velveteen Lops, but it's just stupid that neither of those are recognized breeds yet given the number of people out there who have them.

I won't disagree with a thing you said, Phil, but it is a process which must run its course.

I watched Don Sheets fail his final attempt at passing Opal Mini Satins last year over some stupid nonsense which the committee rejected it over. They literally look for any stupid thing they can find to reject a rabbit over, and often times it gets nitpicky to the point that they're failed because of some crap that you'd never see a judge look for in a show.

I'm like you, though. I think Lionheads are ugly as damnable sin itself, but to each their own. There are alot of heathens posing as breeders out there who cannot stand Satins, too. LOL!!!

 

[phillinley]

I watched Don Sheets fail his final attempt at passing Opal Mini Satins last year over some stupid nonsense which the committee rejected it over. They literally look for any stupid thing they can find to reject a rabbit over, and often times it gets nitpicky to the point that they're failed because of some crap that you'd never see a judge look for in a show.

I'm like you, though. I think Lionheads are ugly as damnable sin itself, but to each their own. There are alot of heathens posing as breeders out there who cannot stand Satins, too. LOL!!!

That is an example of what I'm talking about needing to be changed. The presentations should look at faults compared to the standard of the rabbit. Things that are an all breed dq but that don't have anything to do with the standard of that bred or variety itself should be disallowed as a dq criteria for passing such as chipped tooth, broken toenail, split *****, pimple. The teeth and toenails in particular are usually just bad luck and often uncontrollable by the breeder once they get their rabbits there (not talking about mallclusion or mismatched toenails though). Illness is also general but I wouldn't include that because it's a health risk to all other rabbits as well.

As far as satins go I raised red satins for a while as a kid and thought about pushing my kids towards that breed when we started since we have so much competition in our area but they wanted the Silver Fox and Mini Rex.

 

[SatinsRule]

Yeah, in your kids' defense Phil, they won't lack for competition in mini rex in virtually any showroom they haul a carrier into, either. You could never say that about a satin except in certain areas. I could name you 12 show dates in a typical year's time where not a single big satin is ever shown, and they're all closer than the shows I travel to routinely in that same year's period of time.

But you're right about the standards committee. It was really hard to take them seriously last fall when one of their main cogs was standing up there in a Steak & Shake apron, wasn't it?

 

[phillinley]

Yeah, in your kids' defense Phil, they won't lack for competition in mini rex in virtually any showroom they haul a carrier into, either. You could never say that about a satin except in certain areas. I could name you 12 show dates in a typical year's time where not a single big satin is ever shown, and they're all closer than the shows I travel to routinely in that same year's period of time.

But you're right about the standards committee. It was really hard to take them seriously last fall when one of their main cogs was standing up there in a Steak & Shake apron, wasn't it?

But we do lack for competition given we show Lynx and Lilac. We're about the only youth showing it and even if we beat the one other person who might show up, we get a pat on the back and send them back to the carrier because they won't even give the variety the time of day for BOB.

 

[SatinsRule]

Yeah, in your kids' defense Phil, they won't lack for competition in mini rex in virtually any showroom they haul a carrier into, either. You could never say that about a satin except in certain areas. I could name you 12 show dates in a typical year's time where not a single big satin is ever shown, and they're all closer than the shows I travel to routinely in that same year's period of time.

But you're right about the standards committee. It was really hard to take them seriously last fall when one of their main cogs was standing up there in a Steak & Shake apron, wasn't it?

But we do lack for competition given we show Lynx and Lilac. We're about the only youth showing it and even if we beat the one other person who might show up, we get a pat on the back and send them back to the carrier because they won't even give the variety the time of day for BOB.

It's the exact same way many judges act toward satins at local shows down here. If it's a "name" breeder of satins who shows up, they're treated like royalty. Otherwise, the breed isn't given the time of day.

The showroom scenes are becoming largely political, and it's hurting the show numbers. Whether the clubs who sanction it want to believe it's happening or not is another subject entirely.