Help me with Mucky's type PLZ? (Velveteen lop)

[Zass]

Well, what do you think? she's taken to her new roommate :lol:
8 months old, the runt of her litter, about 5 lbs adult weight.
No pedigree, but her father was broken black and her mother was a dark tort. Both were larger than I think she will ever get.

How about her type though, think she's worth breeding?
I couldn't get her to "pose" and I don't really know how to judge this breed.

Since I would be breeding for pets, I honestly wouldn't push for ridiculously long ears. Her mother had bad cut-up ears from stepping on them. I'd hate selling rabbits to people that are likely to suffer that.

Flopped right on top of the new doe, seriously bunneh?

She won against one other v-lop at a 4-h show, but, I'd hardly call one buck stiff competition!

 

[akane]

Odd shoulder connections. Do you know the body type of the suggested sop for a vlop? Is she an F1 or was her mother and father vlops? An english lop is a mandolin and a rex is a commercial. Different shoulders and length of body. The combo probably accounts for the weird shoulders. I'm not sure what they are supposed to be bred toward. The head is also a bit bulkier than a rex with less tapering so that could be adding to the look of the shoulder connection. The rest of the rabbit looks like a good commercial type. Your picture kind of cuts off on the hindquarters a little. They should arc down to the table not curl under towards the feet.

 

[Bad Habit]

Information as to how to pose Velveteens, as given to me by the COD Holder.

I am often asked as a COD holder “how do I know if I am posing my Velveteen correctly? It is very easy to over or under pose a Velveteen. Dealing with the Semi-arched type the shoulders can be pushed too far forward leading to a rabbit that falls off early and peaks too soon in the rise and will look like it is pinched and finishing narrow. A rabbit that is too stretched out will look to have a narrow shoulder and mid section with no rise or top line. And will lack depth in the hind quarter. You may be tempted to remove these rabbits from your program . You would be losing potentially typey stock that was just not posed correctly. SEMI-ARCHED

Animals are longer in body and have a well defined rise starting at the

back of the shoulders, and continuing to round out the hindquarter. The High point of the rise

should occur at the top of the hips. The side profile is to be tapered from the hindquarters

through to the shoulders. The shape should resemble a pear cut in half on a table.

So how does one correctly pose the Velveteen to check for the perfect mandolin pear shapewithout over or under posing? Ploppig the rabbit on the table just will not get the job done in most cases . As laid back as our Velveteens are. They do take a little posing. The standard states that their elbos must be on the table . Start their.The front foot should be in line with the eye. The back toes should be in line with the front of the hip. On a senior rabbit if posed correctly you should be able to lay three fingers between the elbow and back toes of the rabbit. On a junior you should be able to lay two fingers between this same space. By having the rabbit posed with these simple points in line you have not under posed nor over posed the Velveteen. You can then properly evaluate the rabbit for width, depth, and length as well as over all type. Consistently posing each rabbit correctly each and every time will allow you to keep the typiest rabbits for your program moving it forward

All typos, spelling mistakes, etc are hers, not mine. I have copied it directly from the information she provided me.

 

[Zass]

Wow, thanks BH!
I know her parents are both velveteens.

hmmm, getting her to LAY DOWN and HOLD STILL, are going to be a trick though.

 

[Bad Habit]

No problem.

Now, having that information and following it are two completely separate things!! I can't get the ones I have here to pose correctly, and when I get them anywhere near posed correctly, the moment I remove one of my hands to take the picture, they're trying to investigate the camera. Such busy little bunnies!!

 

[Peach]

I don't believe she would be considered breed quality IMPO

You might run into the problem with pet buyers....they usually want the long ears and the velvet feel. I'm not much of a fan of the breed mostly because I really haven't seen a "good" one. (type wise). Lot of people breeding them and trying to sell them for $200-$100 a piece because they are "rare" around here. Much like the lionheads. I'm kinda glad Lionheads have a set standard now because before anything with a mane was a lionhead and pedigree quality. Which is not the case anymore.

When bred for pets, I see them go to the slippery slope of a narrow,snipey face, poor conformation, and a choppy coat. I'm not attracted to the breed's looks personally, but I know there are people that are (or people wouldn't be breeding them!)! Breed wisely, breed carefully. There are so many pets bred each year. Be prepared incase they don't all sell.

She looks so soft and cuddly! LOL I love how she is cuddle up with that bun!

 

[Zass]

Well, got her laying down at least!

What do you think BH? Is she 1/2 a pear? :lol:

For the record, unpedigreed v-lops are about $25-35 here, although she's the only one I've seen for sale in two years of looking, the pet market for rabbits is TINY and already overpopulated by 1000's of Holland lops.
(haha, I've don't like the look of Holland, mini, french, or English lops, actually, the velveteen is the only "lop" I've ever liked the look of)

I'm primarily a meat and pelt breeder, so I'm totally prepared for unsold pets.
(and truly, it means I'm the kind of breeder who would never sell a rabbit with a bad body, bad personality, or other defects that would make them poor pets either)


It's just, in Mucky's case, she has the best house pet personality I've ever seen in a doe (or in a rabbit, period, and ALL my rabbits are sweet), so I was curious if she would make other nice pets for people? I just didn't want to consider breeding her if she was a poor example of a v-lop. I do think her coat is less dense than it could be, but it's UBER soft and nice-to touch.

OH, one more thing, her shoulder fur is only 1/2 grown in in some places and bald in others, because she pulls it. (and makes little piles, like in her food bowl?) Which might be making it look a little odd or choppy.

 

[Bad Habit]

I think she looks good... but I'm also learning, lol. Maybe post her to one of the vlop groups on FB and ask their opinions? Though I have found them to be a generally harsh bunch - I had my Quinn posed all wrong, and instead of someone letting me know "hey, she looks really bad because of how she's posed, try doing it this way", I got a lot of "oh she's garbage, don't breed her ever."

 

[Zass]

I think she looks good... but I'm also learning, lol. Maybe post her to one of the vlop groups on FB and ask their opinions? Though I have found them to be a generally harsh bunch - I had my Quinn posed all wrong, and instead of someone letting me know "hey, she looks really bad because of how she's posed, try doing it this way", I got a lot of "oh she's garbage, don't breed her ever."

I really can't stand facebook. Not just the people, and invasion of privacy, but the like and followers setup seems lame to me as well.

But
I can take harsh criticisms, it's rarely stricter then the standards I like to judge myself by anyway. :lol: I may not agree with every opinion I get, I still do appreciate them! I know people can help me to pick out faults that I haven't noticed yet, or things I may have done wrong. So no one should worry about offending me !

 

[CochinBrahmaLover]

Do you have a FB account?

If not i can post for you and just tell you what they say. I wont lie, honest! Lol.

Best of luck

 

[Zass]

Do you have a FB account?

If not i can post for you and just tell you what they say. I wont lie, honest! Lol.

Best of luck

Actually, I don't. Ummm, facebook is big and scary and full of LOTS and LOTs of needy relatives, ex-boyfriends, and everyone else that I like to hide from.

So yeah, it would be nice of you to post her for me. It seems her 1/2 grown shoulder fur is going to attract some negativity.

 

[CochinBrahmaLover]

Oh that's fine, lol. I understand that. My mom didnt want me on FB at first, but she came around.

Just sent a friend invitation to 3 FB groups. Ill post on all 3 according to when they accept. That and I can get a wide range of views.<br /><br />__________ Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:07 pm __________<br /><br />So far this is the only response:
I think she's got a good body and ear length is fine, she just needs to be checked for "shovel" ears.Can we get a picture with her head facing us?


So... You read it. We need a pic of her facing us! :gettowork:

 

[Peach]

Well, got her laying down at least!

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She looks better in this picture, but I fault her heavily, peaking to far forward and then she's chopped over the HQ and lacks fullness of the lower HQ. They are to have mandolin type, she is the awkward in-between of the compactness of a Mini Rex and a mandolin type of a Elop. But that's understandable because she is just a few generations in.

Here's a nice example of an elop (Credit to PCR)/ Mandolin type

71 points are award to type alone, so it's something that has to be nailed

General Type ......................................................... 71

Body ................................................................. 35

Head ................................................................. 10

Feet, Legs & Bone .................................................... 5

Ears ................................................................. 21

Length, width position ............................................... 7

Substance and Shape .................................................. 7

Texture and Condition ................................................ 7

Fur .................................................................. 20

Color and Markings ................................................... 4

Condition ............................................................ 5


TOTAL POINTS ......................................................... 100


For obvious reasons, the elop is developed farther along than the Velveteens, so you can decide if you can pair them properly so you start getting the type the standard calls for.

 

[Zass]

Thanks Peach!

I totally agree about her body type being kinda in-between.
:lol: At least now I'll have some clue as to what needs corrected and what is best to look for.

Not sure what shovel ears are, or how to pose for this, :lol:, and she's chewing oats (her bribe for holding still) but maybe this pic will do?

If not, well, at least it was cute, and we don't mind taking more.

Tried the pose again too, darn, I just noticed that her heads too far forward now
*sigh*

I wish she's stop pulling that shoulder fur!

 

[CochinBrahmaLover]

Shovel ear is when it pinches at the end and well... Looks like a shovel!
Her body is more commercial type, but looks good.
If you pair her with the right buck, most of her issues will be solved.

They - the one FB group that accepted me - think she'd make a great mom, and make great babies if you got a great dad. And they said that her ears were a fine length too

 

[Zass]

Shovel ear is when it pinches at the end and well... Looks like a shovel!
Her body is more commercial type, but looks good.
If you pair her with the right buck, most of her issues will be solved.

They - the one FB group that accepted me - think she'd make a great mom, and make great babies if you got a great dad. And they said that her ears were a fine length too

ah thank you SO MUCH.