Good Craigs List Add!!

[Honorine]

Right now ARBA is being run by fools, normally I would defend them, but not since Eric Stewart became the director. He and Karen Horn were foolish enough to think that by being 'proactive' and trying to work along with the new APHIS guidelines that they were doing the right thing. Nope, they were throwing the entire fancy under the bus and were too stupid to realize it. AKC has screwed up massively too, by labeling some of their breeders as 'high volume' they have made them targets. Whatever is said by any pro animal institution will be taken and twisted by the Animals Rights groups, they seek to divide and conquer, control by deceit and end all animal use. Animal rights is a fanatical religion to its believers, and there's no negotiating with fanatics, or terrorists, and sometimes the lines blur and AR's are both.

In the end ARBA really just is a registry, an organization promoting rabbits and cavies, for show, meat and fur, and lastly, pets. They haven't been a target like AKC has, but they will be. By trying to work with and develop 'guidelines' for rabbit care etc they are playing right into the hands of the Animals Rights. Opposition at every turn is the only option, trying to educate the public about the AR's true agenda is what ARBA should proactive about, not cutesy little Easter Bunny do's and don't ads. ARBA has a dog in this fight, but its got morons at the helm, and their going to bury us all. Straddling the line isn't going to be productive, each side will consider you 'one of the bad guys' and it will lessen the impact of your message. Whats going to make a difference is fighting them tooth and nail, not agreeing with some of their rhetoric and copying it. JMHO

 

[tailwagging]

good post

 

[phillinley]

but the utility MUST be pushed. they must be continue to be viewed as livestock. you do not want them to be considered companion

I agree the utility must be pushed, but that utility must include livestock with the ability to be a companion animal. They just are, and no amount of hand wringing will change the fact that they are good companion animals.

As far as legislative issues go, the fight needs to be not for exceptions for rabbits and guineas, it's for separate categories. Everything right now is stock or companion, there needs to be a third category for multi-use that addresses this. Most of the mentions of rabbits in the codes are that this does not apply to rabbits, or rabbits will not be held to this provision, etc. etc. They need to have their own category so they won't have the chance to be lumped in strictly with exotics, or pets, or commercial depending on the bill.

 

[tailwagging]

Tragically you have no idea what you are asking for.


Honorine's post sums it all up

I am done on this thread

 

[Lowell]

Just saw this post.
I bought a rabbit as a pet for the grandkids a couple years ago.......but it was going to stay at my house. I saw it as a gateway rabbit to raising meat rabbits. It worked!!! and I am enjoying raising my rabbits and enjoying eating them!!

 

[phillinley]

EDIT: I'm seriously not going to get anything done at all today if I keep on this thread. I'll be done too here.

 

[Happy]

I defiantly wouldn't vaccinate a sick rabbit!!!
medication shots is not vaccination. they are not the same and there is no vaccination for rabbits in the USA that I know of.

I know the difference between a vaccination and medicine. The average person reads "vaccinate" as "administer a shot". And the semantics aside, you vaccinate pets, that's what you do with pets, they're pets because you intend to treat them like family.<br /><br />__________ Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:45 pm __________<br /><br />

You can have a dog as a meal but that doesn't make dogs food.

Why not? Lots of people already raise them specifically for food, and some of these people are right here in the USA (I knew one myself). Meat is food. Even if a specific animal has a purpose that precludes it from being food, it is still made of food. Not all food is a pet, but all pets are food.

 

[phillinley]

You can have a dog as a meal but that doesn't make dogs food.

Why not? Lots of people already raise them specifically for food, and some of these people are right here in the USA (I knew one myself). Meat is food. Even if a specific animal has a purpose that precludes it from being food, it is still made of food. Not all food is a pet, but all pets are food.

Gah, I said I wouldn't be back but have to on this one. I was using that as a cultural reference within another argument, not that I agree that's an objective view of dogs in the world. In the US that's the norm, but not everywhere in the world is that the case. The majority of the right or wrong of social norms from country to country are not scientifically justifiable, it's just the way people do things there.

 

[Wyldrose]

I posted the same on kijiji and it got removed lol!
I guess your not allowed to express feelings or suggestions???

 

[Happy]

You can have a dog as a meal but that doesn't make dogs food.

Why not? Lots of people already raise them specifically for food, and some of these people are right here in the USA (I knew one myself). Meat is food. Even if a specific animal has a purpose that precludes it from being food, it is still made of food. Not all food is a pet, but all pets are food.

Gah, I said I wouldn't be back but have to on this one. I was using that as a cultural reference within another argument, not that I agree that's an objective view of dogs in the world. In the US that's the norm, but not everywhere in the world is that the case. The majority of the right or wrong of social norms from country to country are not scientifically justifiable, it's just the way people do things there.

I get it. I guess I was just pointing out where my thinking differs from this. As I stated, I consider even myself to be food, though I'd prefer not to be eaten by anything other than scavengers (implying I'd prefer to die naturally rather than be murdered for food). I just think we need to rethink the philosophy that certain animals are special and are pets, and nonspecial animals are only for food. While I agree with the classification of "exotic animals" for ecological purposes, the cultural ideal of telling each other which animals they can eat and which they can't, and legislating accordingly to make it difficult for people who prefer to raise their animals for different purposes.