'Fox' and 'otter' marking question

[Lee_2014]

I am currently building up to warren of mini lop rabbits, probably 4 does and 2 bucks in order to create myself a little breeding program in a shed specially converted for the purpose of keeping rabbits.

During recent weeks I have been doing lots of research and have looked quite a bit into Rabbit Colours and Genetics and slowly I'm starting to understand what some of the locus' of the genotype do to the rabbit hair colour/pattern, however I keep stumbling upon specific phenotypes that I can't figure out the genotypes for.

Which Locus is responsible for creating the :- 'fox' and 'otter' markings. Also I am struggling to figure out what the visible difference between an 'otter' and 'fox' markings from photos I have managed to find online, they both looks pretty similar so I'm guessing it must be something hiding in the genetic makeup.

Cheers.
Lee.

 

[Dood]

(In North America) A fox is a tortoiseshell with one or two tan genes while an otter is a black(or other self colour) with one or two tan genes

The 'tan' gene ( at_ ) on the A-locus is responsible for otter, marten, tan and fox marked rabbits.

 

[Peach]

Upside, you probably won't ever see any otter Mini lops so you don't really have to worry about it fox turning up. I don't actually know of any in existence. Of course I really wish thy did come in otter lol<br /><br />__________ Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:57 pm __________<br /><br />Oh oops! lol you are in the UK! That explains a lot

 

[Lee_2014]

Oh oops! lol you are in the UK! That explains a lot

I'm not entirely sure what you mean :sorry:

 

[Peach]

Over there, the Mini lop is the what the Holland lop is in the US it confuses a lot of people,myself included when I started, because the US and UK sites clash

 

[Lee_2014]

Over there, the Mini lop is the what the Holland lop is in the US it confuses a lot of people,myself included when I started, because the US and UK sites clash

agggh, now that could cause some confusion, thanks for explaining, I'll try in my future posts to remember to clarify I'm From UK

A fox is a tortoiseshell with one or two tan genes while an otter is a black(or other self colour) with one or two tan genes

The 'tan' gene ( at_ ) on the A-locus is responsible for otter, marten, tan and fox marked rabbits.

Does this change what you said? I've really confused things haven't I :sorry:

 

[Dood]

The genetics is usually all the same, which is why I prefer to use it BUT "fox" is not a recognized colour in any breed over here but they do pop up when are torts are possible in otter/marten/tan litters.

The UK may call a different colour 'fox' than us so you should clarify that part.

__________ Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:29 am __________

I just did some research and it looks like what you call 'fox' we call 'silver marten' so my explanation is not correct.

The in the UK fox are chinchilla coloured rabbits with one or two tan genes, and not torts.

Genetically - at_ B_ cchd_ D_ E_

 

[Lee_2014]

The genetics is usually all the same, which is why I prefer to use it BUT "fox" is not a recognized colour in any breed over here but they do pop up when are torts are possible in otter/marten/tan litters.

The UK may call a different colour 'fox' than us so you should clarify that part.

__________ Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:29 am __________

I just did some research and it looks like what you call 'fox' we call 'silver marten' so my explanation is not correct.

The in the UK fox are chinchilla coloured rabbits with one or two tan genes, and not torts.

Genetically - at_ B_ cchd_ D_ E_

Thank you very much for taking the time to do this research for me Dood! Very, very much appreciated! The fact that using the genotype rather than the phenotypes will give a much more solid idea of what in any one particular rabbit is one of the reasons I wanted to take some time out to familiarise myself with it.