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akane":q8wc10i7 said:
We were unable to find DE anywhere and I still can't find it. We tried garden stores, health stores, feed stores....
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Hi Akane, Here it is on Amazon, and with free shipping. the cost of $23 for 10 lbs. is much cheaper than what I'm paying for in the feed store ($17 for 1.5 lbs!!) Thanks for prompting me to look it up! We use it on the indoor bunny, and the cats. We also sprinkle on the carpeted areas, and in the cracks of the wall, and vaccuum it up.
http://www.amazon.com/Grade-Diatomaceou ... eous+earth
 
Stormy":2qpbb0pz said:
akane":2qpbb0pz said:
We were unable to find DE anywhere and I still can't find it. We tried garden stores, health stores, feed stores....
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Hi Akane, Here it is on Amazon, and with free shipping. the cost of $23 for 10 lbs. is much cheaper than what I'm paying for in the feed store ($17 for 1.5 lbs!!) Thanks for prompting me to look it up! We use it on the indoor bunny, and the cats. We also sprinkle on the carpeted areas, and in the cracks of the wall, and vaccuum it up.
http://www.amazon.com/Grade-Diatomaceou ... eous+earth
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$17 for 1.5lbs is pricey!!!! I used to order mine from gardeniq.com. I ordered the white Pure Earth from ebay for a little less. The last bag I got was Red Earth from TSC, at 12.99 for 40lbs.
 
MamaSheepdog":3h77mri3 said:
Mine was $25 for 50 lbs of Codex Food Grade at the Mom and Pop feed store. :)
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I knew it was a rip-off for some dirt, but...!

Note the Amazon link is for food-grade. Is your cheap stuff really safe to eat? Can you ship me some ?? ;)
 
Stormy":wnpurczn said:
MamaSheepdog":wnpurczn said:
Mine was $25 for 50 lbs of Codex Food Grade at the Mom and Pop feed store. :)
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I knew it was a rip-off for some dirt, but...!

Note the Amazon link is for food-grade. Is your cheap stuff really safe to eat? Can you ship me some ?? ;)
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It is food grade. Codex means it complies with international food safety standards. :)

http://www.codexalimentarius.org/

Sure I'll ship you some. :) The issue is that the shipping bumps up the cost. I'll pm my zip code if you are serious and willing to research shipping costs to see if it would be more affordable.

This is the site (located in or near Lake Elsinore, CA) that I made my original purchase from:

http://www.wolfcreekranch.net/diatomaceous_earth.html
 
it seems like it may be something that can get rid of bed bugs, too. But by that time you might be using the one that is not food grade (since the red earth can stain), and the Non-Food Grade, requires a dust mask.
 
There is a sliver lining to every cloud, and DE is it for me when it comes to bedbugs! We have a maternal bat colony that roosts between our ceiling and our roof (no attic), and they brought us bed bugs two years ago. :x That is why I bought DE in the first place. It worked- but they would still get a couple nights of biting in before they died. Thankfully, we never had them colonizing our bed or anything, but it was horrible anyway. Especially because they prefer me to Hubs! Last year we didn't have any at all, but this year I have found a dozen or so.

You don't want to use the pool grade for anything but pools- it is an inhalation hazard and highly toxic.
 
Yeah, when you call the board of health, they actually recommend DE for Bed Bugs, it's not chemical, so no creature can form a resistance. Though I gotta say three days and Phoenix is still scratching like mad from fleas, and now I'm getting bit.
 
Piper":9k52qykc said:
you have to vacuum up the eggs or get them as soon as they hatch. If you get them before they have a blood meal, and lay more eggs, you can get rid of them faster. Using a light and a sticky trap, along with DE you can get rid of them a lot faster!
Read the comments for this product http://www.amazon.com/Victor-M230-Ultim ... supplies_1
more helps / links are here http://pinterest.com/laurall21/microfarm-animal-helps/
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Phoenix is not a house dog, none of mine are. I'm getting it when I'm out with her, around the ankles. She does not have a bed, but a horse mat, so I would think the DE would kill the flies on her and the hard surface fast. But it's been the summer for all kinds of things, flies spiders, fleas, and nothing, herbal or chemical is stopping them.

I have yet to see a single rabbit with fleas though. And only Phoenix has them.
 
skysthelimit":3lcsum31 said:
Phoenix is not a house dog
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from what I understand, fleas (and their eggs) do not handle heat/sun well. If you have more than one matt, rotate the matt, where is gets sun. Find out what shady moist area - is harboring the fleas.
 
skysthelimit":34h1qpap said:
Yeah, when you call the board of health, they actually recommend DE for Bed Bugs, it's not chemical, so no creature can form a resistance. Though I gotta say three days and Phoenix is still scratching like mad from fleas, and now I'm getting bit.
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If you have a bad infestation, be sure to apply to your dog I think its every 3 days, 3 times... to get ALL the fleas - since many aren't on your dog and may not jump back on for a couple days, or may still be hatching. Also be sure to dust her dog house, bed, any cracks especially as flea eggs like to hatch in cracks and dark moister areas.

For you - I suggest using a little cedar oil on your ankles. You can use some essential oils straight on your ankles or clothing. We mix it up in a spray bottle and dilute it with water, to spray our bed and bedroom down to repel fleas, during the height of their season when we're having trouble with them. This can be sprayed around your porch, etc to repel. You can get industrial size at a garden center, I believe, (I got it from Amazon) for around the garden and outside. It does NOT kill fleas, just repels them. But it helps if the fleas got the upperhand.

Do NOT use on animals, they are too sensitive to essential oils. I'm not sure about dogs absolutely, but cats can be poisoned by essential oils and I believe rabbits can be too.
 
I usually use a mix of lavender/eucalyptus/cloves. Nothing seems to help this summer. I may just have to concede that because of the heat, then sudden spell of rain, that this may be a job for chemicals. kind of like the biting flies, the oils did not deter them, so I conceded to spraying off on exposed body parts when I'm in the barn. It's easier to use a flea bomb in the barn than to dust my entire yard with DE, as she roams the barn free while I am at work, so she is not confined to one place. The cloves and lavender are ok for the dogs, but the eucalyptus I've been told is a no no. I don't think it's bad as I only get bit where she would make physical contact, lying at my feet getting belly rubs.

back to the OP, no matter what, I would not put Revolution on my dogs or rabbits. I'd rather soak Phoenix in a dawn detergent bath (next choice) than put those on her body.
 
skysthelimit":28a4hc4j said:
back to the OP, no matter what, I would not put Revolution on my dogs or rabbits. I'd rather soak Phoenix in a dawn detergent bath (next choice) than put those on her body.
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Really? is Revolution that bad? I don't use it but use Advantage on 2 of my cats (the other 2 get sick from it) and I put something similar on my horse as he was covered in ticks and biting flies. I hate to use chemicals but the health ramifications for me and them are pretty horrendous certain times of the year. The daily natural bug spray wasn't doing the trick on the horse as he rolls constantly, maybe in response to the smell...
 
Stormy":38b0ka3x said:
skysthelimit":38b0ka3x said:
back to the OP, no matter what, I would not put Revolution on my dogs or rabbits. I'd rather soak Phoenix in a dawn detergent bath (next choice) than put those on her body.
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Really? is Revolution that bad? I don't use it but use Advantage on 2 of my cats (the other 2 get sick from it) and I put something similar on my horse as he was covered in ticks and biting flies. I hate to use chemicals but the health ramifications for me and them are pretty horrendous certain times of the year. The daily natural bug spray wasn't doing the trick on the horse as he rolls constantly, maybe in response to the smell...
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I think it is. And I've had friends whose dogs have had reactions to it. Maybe Phoenix is rolling while I'm at work,in some dusty corner of the barn and that's why the Skin so soft and oils aren't working? They worked last year just fine, and smelled wonderful.

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Piper":38b0ka3x said:
do chickens hunt fleas?
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I believe they do, but I don't have any, and it seemed like when I had them last year, I still had fleas. It's only Phoenix, and only this time of the year the oils stop working.
 
We love revolution. It covers worms, heartworm, and external parasites. It cuts down on the chemicals required to be given to the dogs and it's stronger toward pests when you have a bad infestation. There are some cases where nothing has worked but revolution. Is it my first line of treatment for seeing the odd flea, no and I don't give it year round here in Iowa where everything freezes half the year but it serves it's purpose quite well and while it has a higher side effect rating than advantage or frontline none of those increased risks are deadly and it's safer than something like moxidectin found in some advantage products.
 
Even though Revolution is a pesticide, I am quite fine using that to ensure my animals are parasite free and comfortable and not having them deal with fleas/internal parasites and the dangers they pose. I don't think chickens hunt fleas, they do eat ticks some though.
 
I just read/was reminded that Guinea hens eat ticks. I am not sure about fleas - they are fast, I don't know how anything could feast on fleas. But seeing as ticks are a major issue here this summer, I might like to get some next spring, if my landlady will let me take on one more animal...
 

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