Dog breeders beware...

[Kyle@theWintertime]

You know what I'd like? If the AR people would actually pour this kind of dedication and resources into the prosecution of those who actually DO abuse or neglect animals. Not targeting people who keep or breed them and who take good care of them.

Then again, it seems the overreach of the government is affecting so many things, I guess this was just an inevitable battle.

Think about all those good 4-H people who could be learning how to run a business, how to advertise, how to manage money in a business, if they could actually turn their rabbitry into a business- with pet sales, meat sales, ect. Or think about how many people with low-paying jobs could benefit from it (if they can put that much money/effort into it)?

Exactly.

Before long, a kid selling lemonade on the side of the street for five cents a glass will need USDA regulations and licensing. :roll: Or maybe they already do...I never see kids DO this any more. :shock: :?

Instead what these regulations will teach our young entrepreneurs is that government is everywhere and you can't do anything without inspection or licensing or fees. It makes a young person's fun project turn into a nightmare.

 

[tailwagging]

here you go
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/20 ... de-stands/

my friend's animal recuse center had to closed when they found out that they couldn't ask for donations with out a $1000.00 permit to do so.

__________ Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:25 pm __________

Holy poop. These people are insane.

Also, they linked in that article to another article...take a look at this. VERY SOBERING, as it's rabbits and the sale of rabbits:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/24/usda- ... a-license/

I don't agree with over-regulation and I think the fines that were levied, and the fact that they cannot raise rabbits anymore, are ridiculous.....BUT....

It is my understanding from following the case that the Dollarhites knew they needed that license, and just did not get it. They called the USDA and asked for the application packet, but they did not apply for it in the end. They were selling to pet shops and petting zoos, both CLEARLY in the USDA's documentation for needing the license under the AWA.

The lesson here is this, folks....

IF you are going to sell rabbits...KNOW THE LAW AND FOLLOW IT. Don't give the HRS or ARA's an excuse to come after you.

yes and no.
they asked the USDA if they needed anything to sell rabbits for meat and were told that they didn't need any. and they wrongfully assumed that they didn't to sell pets either. also they could lawfully sell to a pet shop up to $500.00 a year. also they could legally sell to the owner of the "ranch." the owner then sold the rabbits ONLY after they got too big for the petting zoo. they did not sell them to the ranch for resale as babies but to the owner who then became the owner of the bunnies. the one who should have gotten the fine was the "ranch" for selling what they didn't breed with out a USDA license but then again they most likely had one since they were a pet zoo. and which means they could buy from anyone legally. AND sell them when they got too big legally. so that part was a witch hunt.

up until the last few years(3 or so)it was very difficult to find the regulations anywhere. even the local USDA offices didn't know them.
I have known about them ONLY because I am a dog breeder and heard horror story about what could happen if you didn't know to look them up.

 

[Kyle@theWintertime]

here you go
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/20 ... de-stands/

...........I'm so disgusted right now. I'm sorry but a little lemonade stand is a great way to teach a small child various life lessons. You know, with my air conditioning blown on my car and no money to fix it, I've actually kept an eye out for children's lemonade stands...I'd get a little refreshing drink and they'd make some money.

This is just ludicrous.

I'm really questioning why this is all happening.

 

[OneAcreFarm]

here you go
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/20 ... de-stands/

my friend's animal recuse center had to closed when they found out that they couldn't ask for donations with out a $1000.00 permit to do so.

__________ Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:25 pm __________

I don't agree with over-regulation and I think the fines that were levied, and the fact that they cannot raise rabbits anymore, are ridiculous.....BUT....

It is my understanding from following the case that the Dollarhites knew they needed that license, and just did not get it. They called the USDA and asked for the application packet, but they did not apply for it in the end. They were selling to pet shops and petting zoos, both CLEARLY in the USDA's documentation for needing the license under the AWA.

The lesson here is this, folks....

IF you are going to sell rabbits...KNOW THE LAW AND FOLLOW IT. Don't give the HRS or ARA's an excuse to come after you.

yes and no.
they asked the USDA if they needed anything to sell rabbits for meat and were told that they didn't need any. and they wrongfully assumed that they didn't to sell pets either.

But, it isn't the USDA's responsibility to ask if they sold pets. That is the seller's responsibility to know what the laws are and to ask questions if they don't.

also they could lawfully sell to a pet shop up to $500.00 a year.

But, they sold MORE than $500 per year, that was the issue.

also they could legally sell to the owner of the "ranch." the owner then sold the rabbits ONLY after they got too big for the petting zoo. they did not sell them to the ranch for resale as babies but to the owner who then became the owner of the bunnies. the one who should have gotten the fine was the "ranch" for selling what they didn't breed with out a USDA license but then again they most likely had one since they were a pet zoo. and which means they could buy from anyone legally. AND sell them when they got too big legally. so that part was a witch hunt.

Not necessarily...if you plan to sell an animal to a petting zoo, then you have to have the license, whether they are for resale or not. You don't have to have a license to buy.

up until the last few years(3 or so)it was very difficult to find the regulations anywhere. even the local USDA offices didn't know them. I have known about them ONLY because I am a dog breeder and heard horror story about what could happen if you didn't know to look them up.

Now, lest you think I am bashing the Dollarhites or agreeing with what was done, let me say again, I am in NO WAY in agreement with the laws as they are. I did not make them, I don't support them but I have to follow them. I think the whole thing was CRAZY...but they could have avoided it all by just getting the license. Or, by not selling to pet stores or petting zoos. I did not want to mess with it myself, so I don't sell pets, period...to people, to stores, to NO ONE. I sell to breeders, to 4H/FFA kids and to folks wanting to either raise rabbits for meat, or buy rabbits to butcher for meat. That is it.

 

[tailwagging]

You are right One Acre.

 

[OneAcreFarm]

Directly from the AWA Regulations: (for your enjoyment! :lol: )

(3) The following persons are exempt from the licensing requirements under
section 2 or section 3 of the Act:

(i) Retail pet stores which sell nondangerous, pet-type animals, such as
dogs, cats, birds, rabbits, hamsters, guinea pigs, gophers, domestic ferrets,
chinchilla, rats, and mice, for pets, at retail only: Provided, That, Anyone
wholesaling any animals, selling any animals for research or exhibition, or
selling any wild, exotic, or nonpet animals retail, must have a license;

(ii) Any person who sells or negotiates the sale or purchase of any animal
except wild or exotic animals, dogs, or cats, and who derives no more than $500
gross income from the sale of such animals to a research facility, an exhibitor,
a dealer, or a pet store during any calendar year and is not otherwise required
to obtain a license;

*portion removed since it did not pertain to this discussion*

(vi) Any person who buys, sells, transports, or negotiates the sale,
purchase, or transportation of any animals used only for the purposes of food or
fiber (including fur);

(vii) Any person who breeds and raises domestic pet animals for direct
retail sales to another person for the buyer's own use and who buys no animals
for resale and who sells no animals to a research facility, an exhibitor, a
dealer, or a pet store (e.g., a purebred dog or cat fancier) and is not
otherwise required to obtain a license;

(viii) Any person who buys animals solely for his or her own use or
enjoyment and does not sell or exhibit animals, or is not otherwise required to
obtain a license;<br /><br />__________ Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:24 pm __________<br /><br />

You are right One Acre.

I wish I was NOT right...*sigh*

Believe you me, I researched this backwards and forwards, since my hubs is in law enforcement. It would cost him his job if I got in legal trouble over the rabbits. Which is why I don't sell pets. Between laws and pet buyers, it is too much bother.

 

[WildWolf]

Am I right in assuming that a show person can be considered an "exhibitor"?

 

[OneAcreFarm]

Am I right in assuming that a show person can be considered an "exhibitor"?

No, an "exhibitor" is a person that charges money for you to see their animals.

 

[WildWolf]

ohhhh. ok, good.

 

[tailwagging]

usda glossary


http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_welfar ... ossary.pdf