Dog breeders beware...

[MamaSheepdog]

Yet another example of our government gone wild:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... S-TO-ASPCA

 

[Kyle@theWintertime]

That...that is VERY scary.

 

[Miss M]

Wow... absolutely beyond the pale.

 

[Sinnfox]

I read it, and that's crazy...and a lot of the comments...seems they have an AR nuts loose in them ~sigh~ I'd post to refute her if I didn't worry about the headache of them cyber stalking me

I have a pretty simple belief...peta is going for pet genocide. They want all animals spayed/neutered. If none can breed then you only have those currently alive...so eventually no more animals. How could that ever be a good idea :/

 

[tailwagging]

there is this one too
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... rming-USDA

see why I joined the The Cavalry Group?

I hope that you all realize that they are now after the rabbit breeders "bunny mills" If we as breeder of rabbits (and of any animal) don't fight to keep rabbit as "livestock" they will be viewed as companion animals and become regulated as such.

 

[Kyle@theWintertime]

Holy poop. These people are insane.

Also, they linked in that article to another article...take a look at this. VERY SOBERING, as it's rabbits and the sale of rabbits:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/24/usda- ... a-license/

 

[tailwagging]

This has been going on for years. and one of the reasons I use what I use as my siggy
we MUST stick together!!!!! all of us breeders. there is a bill that got passed in San Diego that the pet can only offer shelter pets.
one of the first thing that was said in the video clip was "a responsible breeder is like a responsible drug dealer"

 

[Kyle@theWintertime]

one of the first thing that was said in the video clip was "a responsible breeder is like a responsible drug dealer"

You know, I already posted on FB about it, but it reminds me of a thing that happened yesterday. I was trying to have a rational discussion with some House Rabbit Society people (I know, I know) and the one person said there is "no such thing" as a responsible breeder. Thinking maybe I can use logic and common sense, I asked WHY.

So they said that breeding animals for any reason, is like what the Nazis did. Yeah they totally succumbed to Godwin's Law. As hilarious as it was for them to tell me that I am basically Hitler (and I did get a few laughs about that on my FB), the reality is that they equate us breeding animals, be it dogs or cats or rabbits or frumious bandersnatches...they equate that as a crime comparable to the millions of victims of GENOCIDE. That's how far off the deep end these people are.

They have no logic, no decency, no common sense and while they claim they are moral people, they are NOT. They are CRAZY, and I believe some are VIOLENT. Which is why this news that the USDA is now handing out private information is terrifying...I worry about what one of these psychos might do if they find out some innocent person's home address!!!!!!!!

 

[tailwagging]

I fully agree!
and one of the reason I get so passionate on AR or USDA threads.
see they (the USDA) has for years had addresses of USDA breeders (wholesaler) but not retail since retail seller don't need to be USDA. but now they are planing on redefining the word "retail pet store" so that the need to be USDA would include breeders who ship even one pet.
So that would mean MORE USDA breeders and MORE addresses up for the AR to stalk.

 

[Cottie]

If they can control the sale and breeding of pets, soon they can control the care and breeding of livestock. And outlaw the consumption of meat.

I don't want to sound "conspiracy" theorist, but doesn't anyone else find it odd HOW MANY livestock animals have become "pets" in the last few decades? People in suburban areas keep pigs, miniature ponies, even goats as pets. There are numerous articles dedicated to bonding with your chicken.

Once all these animals become commonly accepted pets, it will be a logical next step to not eat them.

 

[Kyle@theWintertime]

I fully agree!
and one of the reason I get so passionate on AR or USDA threads.
see they (the USDA) has for years had addresses of USDA breeders (wholesaler) but not retail since retail seller don't need to be USDA. but now they are planing on redefining the word "retail pet store" so that the need to be USDA would include breeders who ship even one pet.
So that would mean MORE USDA breeders and MORE addresses up for the AR to stalk.

While simultaneously making it impossible for the GOOD breeders to do what they do best. Insane.

Do they really think this will solve anything??? Insane!!!! Where does it end?! I mean I don't have a LOT of rabbits but I do breed, and with the AR people they want rabbits thought of as pets ONLY...scary. Plus with all these new issues for dog breeders...I worry about my dog breeder friends.

 

[tailwagging]

"Those breeders who are fortunate enough to survive this regulatory assault can look forward to having their inspections overseen by HSUS’ own former Litigation Attorney, Sarah Conant, who has been named the Director of Enforcement at the USDA."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... rming-USDA

Sarah Conant career background came out after she went after the rabbit breeder for millions.<br /><br />__________ Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:41 pm __________<br /><br />

If they can control the sale and breeding of pets, soon they can control the care and breeding of livestock. And outlaw the consumption of meat.

I don't want to sound "conspiracy" theorist, but doesn't anyone else find it odd HOW MANY livestock animals have become "pets" in the last few decades? People in suburban areas keep pigs, miniature ponies, even goats as pets. There are numerous articles dedicated to bonding with your chicken.

Once all these animals become commonly accepted pets, it will be a logical next step to not eat them.

yup, only a few years ago your grandpa could buy horse meat at the local store

 

[WildWolf]

Oh my goodness...
While I can tolerate groups sharing anti-breeder opinions, I can't tolerate
a) the government getting into this! That's just absurd, overreaching, and sooo controlling its not even funny.
b) the group misleading all its donors. Come on, really? If you have to lie to your own followers, then you obviously don't have a good cause.
c) the group taking action against breeders. There's an unalienable right to free speech, but there's also an unalienable right to privacy and the right to remain unharmed from other people! The stuff they do could be called terrorism. Breeders are so terrified of them that groups like the Calvary Group exist, and we post threads talking about things to remember about protecting your privacy!! Does anyone else feel like breeders are being persecuted here?? They go beyond "I don't agree with what you do", to "I'm going to FORCE you to stop doing what I don't agree with". If they truly did believe that they have a logical, morally correct, opinion then they wouldn't need to do such drastic things! Why can't they just discuss it with someone who knows the facts about breeding????

I also can't stand how people equate animals to humans. ANY animal- be it a dog, rabbit, cat, horse, cow, pig, whatever! Yes, they are living, feeling, creatures, that make great pets, and should be respected, BUT they don't have morals like humans, and also make good food. And we can't all become vegetarians... I won't even start on that debate. It's terrible how ignorant and squemish people are nowadays about where their food comes from.

 

[tailwagging]

NC is state under attack. ARs hate NC because AKC is there. they have taken over Asheville and are working heavily on Hendersonville. plus a statewide 10 companion animal limit. let me ask you how can you have a closed, breeding for the betterment, breeding program (where you truly know your breeding stock from birth) with only 10? and heavy "intact pet" fees.




"charged her with multiple violations of the county’s animal control ordinance and assessed a $4.4 million fine. ....There has been no mistreatment other than having too many animals and Ms. Kappler being in violation of local ordinances...
If you don’t want to go to jail, Ms. Kappler, you can’t have more than 10 animals in your home,”

http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/200 ... /810290245

I cry every time I watch this. she was a good friend and gave up her whole life for her's and any animal. the county use to give out her # for emergence calls and she would go out at 2:00 in morning to help a hurt animal UNTIL they got their new AC building completed and saw her as compaction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Px1CyR0eW0

 

[Kyle@theWintertime]

Does anyone else feel like breeders are being persecuted here?? They go beyond "I don't agree with what you do", to "I'm going to FORCE you to stop doing what I don't agree with". If they truly did believe that they have a logical, morally correct, opinion then they wouldn't need to do such drastic things! Why can't they just discuss it with someone who knows the facts about breeding????

I dislike the attitude of "I don't like what you are doing so I have to FORCE YOU TO STOP." Trust me, I have opinions...and I recognise that they are OPINIONS, not facts, and I don't force everyone around me to conform to just my opinions...but that's what these people want. They don't like meat, so they don't want us to have the option. They don't like breeders, so they want to stamp out all breeding.

If they didn't like the color purple, how long would it be before they made up all sorts of regulations and restrictions on, say, crayons?! Seriously. They're nuts.

I also can't stand how people equate animals to humans. ANY animal- be it a dog, rabbit, cat, horse, cow, pig, whatever! Yes, they are living, feeling, creatures, that make great pets, and should be respected, BUT they don't have morals like humans, and also make good food. And we can't all become vegetarians... I won't even start on that debate. It's terrible how ignorant and squemish people are nowadays about where their food comes from.

Most people are so far removed from their food it's sad and scary. Anyone who isn't vegan who supports this sort of AR nonsense is a hypocrite. Heck most VEGANS aren't truly vegan...animal products are everywhere. Heck the organic veggies they eat? Probably grown with fertilizer made from manure from animals other people ended up EATING.

Now to be fair I think it's okay when someone has a livestock species as a pet...I know people who keep pet goats...I know a family that has some pet chickens...and I know a gentleman who used to have a pet bull (!!!!!) The people with goats also EAT goat, though, and they do 4H with their children...the one with chickens eats eggs and eat chicken...and the guy who kept a bull as a pet still eats beef. I think the problem is people who get a pet, it's a livestock breed, then suddenly they don't want ANYONE ever treating them like the LIVESTOCK they are. Crazy!!! My AR "acquaintance" (using that term loosely) is like that though...she can't imagine eating her pets so she wants NOBODY TO EAT RABBITS EVER. Except she'll also tell me how cruel I am for eating venison and rabbit while she's horking down a burger or hotdog from a fast food joint, as if the food SHE'S eating isn't made of dead animals, too. :roll:

They lie to themselves and are in denial.

As to the USDA versus dogs...I wonder what the AKC's opinion on this fiasco is...

NC is state under attack. ARs hate NC because AKC is there. they have taken over Asheville and are working heavily on Hendersonville. plus a statewide 10 companion animal limit. let me ask you how can you have a closed, breeding for the betterment, breeding program (where you truly know your breeding stock from birth) with only 10? and heavy "intact pet" fees.

That is so absurd. I know of a breeder who has fourteen adult Shetland Sheepdogs, plus any number of pups...and her breeding animals are all retired show champions, and she takes better care of her MANY dogs than a lot of people do with ONE...

 

[WildWolf]

NC is state under attack. ARs hate NC because AKC is there. they have taken over Asheville and are working heavily on Hendersonville. plus a statewide 10 companion animal limit. let me ask you how can you have a closed, breeding for the betterment, breeding program (where you truly know your breeding stock from birth) with only 10? and heavy "intact pet" fees.

I get the Asheville and Hendersonville thing... but seriously, there's a statewide 10 companion animal limit???? uh... I'm going to pretend I didn't hear... Or wait, I got it: my rabbits are livestock (I sell them, don't I? And hopefully will be eating them as soon as my mom agrees that eating rabbits is ok), my big dog is a service dog (for my mom who has MS, so she needs protection and a helper), my little dog is my ratter working dog (he's a little Westie. he's ferocious when going after small animals!), and my snake is my... uh... thing that helps me cull baby rabbits?

I've never heard of "intact pet" fees... I'm looking it up now <br /><br />__________ Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:22 pm __________<br /><br />The only intact thing I could find on my county's website was : "A high volume dog breeder is defined as a breeder who maintains more than seven intact female dogs during any calendar year". I only searched quickly though

 

[OneAcreFarm]

Holy poop. These people are insane.

Also, they linked in that article to another article...take a look at this. VERY SOBERING, as it's rabbits and the sale of rabbits:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/24/usda- ... a-license/

I don't agree with over-regulation and I think the fines that were levied, and the fact that they cannot raise rabbits anymore, are ridiculous.....BUT....

It is my understanding from following the case that the Dollarhites knew they needed that license, and just did not get it. They called the USDA and asked for the application packet, but they did not apply for it in the end. They were selling to pet shops and petting zoos, both CLEARLY in the USDA's documentation for needing the license under the AWA.

The lesson here is this, folks....

IF you are going to sell rabbits...KNOW THE LAW AND FOLLOW IT. Don't give the HRS or ARA's an excuse to come after you.

 

[ckcs]

I think all the animal rights extremist should adopt all the animals in the shelters. I personally take care of 4 rabbits that were no longer wanted.

 

[tailwagging]

Not a 10 animal limit YET but they have been working on it.


"the AKC Government Relations Department (AKC GR) has learned that efforts are underway to push North Carolina’s State Senate to consider House Bill 930. The American Kennel Club (AKC) continues to OPPOSE HB 930 as currently written. The measure establishes an arbitrary definition of “large commercial dog breeding facilities” based on the number of dogs a person owns-- regardless of whether that person is actually breeding or selling dogs!"

http://www.akc.org/press_center/article ... le_id=5043

__________ Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:41 pm __________

I believe Asheville has a $100.00 per animal per year "intact fee" and 10 animal limit even in country. same as Hendersonville.

 

[WildWolf]

IF you are going to sell rabbits...KNOW THE LAW AND FOLLOW IT. Don't give the HRS or ARA's an excuse to come after you.

I agree with you completely. But I don't like it. I HATE how it is such a pain for responsible breeders. Do you know how much effort, money, and privacy you are going to give up when you comply with the government's overreaching and ineffective regulation? I'm not saying you shouldn't- you should, because you don't want to have to face a ton of fines and a ton of bad press. I'm just saying that it is extremely discouraging to responsible people. I have decided that I value my privacy more than the profits I would get (minius all that effort and money put into complying with the law) from selling actual meat or selling to pet stores. Think about all those good 4-H people who could be learning how to run a business, how to advertise, how to manage money in a business, if they could actually turn their rabbitry into a business- with pet sales, meat sales, ect. Or think about how many people with low-paying jobs could benefit from it (if they can put that much money/effort into it)?

And tailwagging- That's terrible. Thanks for telling me... I'll be more alert when/if they try to do something like that where I live