Crossing Siamese to Agouti?

[LPH_NY]

I know you're not supposed to, says practically every website devoted to rabbit breeding. However, I can't find a lot of specific information for what you would get when you choose to cross them anyway. Mine are meat mutts, so no worries about showing. I don't care what colors are recognized. I am interested what colors I might get... because I like colors.

Siamese buck from a chocolate and a black tort (who had a siamese parent)

cross with

Chestnut agouti doe from a chinchilla and black tort (who had a chestnut parent)

What might I get? Could I end up with a shaded agouti? Might they make torts?

What if I cross the Siamese to a chinchilla doe (sister of the chestnut, so same color parents)?

Any chance I could end up with a super light chinchilla or a shaded chinchilla? Some other variation of chinchilla besides the norm?


With a siamese buck that has a chocolate gene, what could I cross him with to maximize the number of color possibilities in the nestbox?

 

[akane]

sable buck is aaBbchl(ch or c)D*Ee and the chestnut doe is AaB*CchdD*Ee which can make
AaB*CchlD*EE -chestnut agouti
AaB*CchlD*Ee - chestnut agouti
AaB*CchlD*ee - red/orange
repeat with C(ch or c) for the same 3 colors

AaB*chdchlD*EE - chinchilla
AaB*chdchlD*Ee - chinchilla
AaB*chdchlD*ee - ermine
Repeat with chd(ch or c) with the same 3 color outcomes

aaB*CchlD*EE -black
aaB*CchlD*Ee -black
aaB*CchlD*ee -tort
repeat with C(ch or c) for the same 3 colors

aaB*chdchlD*EE -self chin which appears black
aaB*chdchlD*Ee - self chin which appears black
aaB*chdchlD*ee - sallander
Again repeat with chd(ch or c) which is the same 3 colors

There is a possibility of chocolate version or dilute version.

With a chin doe carrying e and self you will get chinchilla, ermine, self chin, and sallander. You just remove the blacks and chestnuts.

 

[LPH_NY]

Wow, that was very helpful. I see there are some good possibilities to play with.

Thank you!

__________ Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:31 pm __________

NEVERMIND. Facepalm
I had posted some questions regarding how chd and chl interact... but I think you covered them all, Akane.

 

[akane]

The only C locus color where it matters what the 2nd gene is would be sable, chl. 2 chl genes cause a seal. Otherwise you just take the dominant gene and ignore the 2nd one. For the most part. Some have found a difference in sable shades between the sable carrying himi and a sable carrying rew but it's minor.