Colors: Picking your brains AGAIN ;) (new pictures)

[Susie570]

(as a reminder) I have a very nice pedigreed mini lop broken chestnut doe. Her sire is a chestnut, her dam is a broken chestnut. She has nothing but chestnuts and broken chestnuts until you get to her 'great-grand' sires and dams where there's one 'steel' listed.

I have a decent japanese harlequin pedigreed mini lop doe. Her sire is black. Her dam is broken cream. Her color lineage is full of tri-colors and chestnuts, then broken cream, black chin, broken orange and a smoke pearl.

I have a pet quality broken blue chin mini lop buck who I know is a non-e carrier (he produced tris and harlis when bred to a harlequin doe).

I am looking into getting a nice pedigreed Mini Lop buck (I know, I know...) but I'm wondering what color I should look for to get interesting colors from my does?

I don't know what I would get breeding my current buck to the chestnut (probably mostly chestnuts??)

Since my current buck was bred to a harlequin before, can I expect a similar litter from the Mini Lop harlequin if I breed her to him? Or does that depend more on HER genetics?

I would LIKE to have: pretty harlequin and/or tri-color coats, frosties and/or sable point... I don't know, what CAN I get from these does?? What color buck would best fit my breeding program??

 

[Dood]

A broken tort with a chinchilla, sable, himilayan or REW parent

 

[Susie570]

A broken tort with a chinchilla, sable, himilayan or REW parent

Does it matter what color the broken tort is, Dood? Should I look for dilute?

 

[Dood]

You must keep in mind what is a available - remember you had a difficult time finding a quality doe that wasn't chestnut or steel ! Your herd sire MUST be near perfect or you will produce a lot of mediocre kits

Ideally for "interesting colours" you should get an =ata bb cchlc dd ee ENen but the chances of finding a broken martenized lilac sable point are practically zero

And even if you could find this colour of buck, if your does don't have any recessives then you will still only get chestnuts but at least their daughters will produce a variety

 

[Susie570]

You must keep in mind what is a available - remember you had a difficult time finding a quality doe that wasn't chestnut or steel ! Your herd sire MUST be near perfect or you will produce a lot of mediocre kits

Ideally for "interesting colours" you should get an =ata bb cchlc dd ee ENen but the chances of finding a broken martenized lilac sable point are practically zero

And even if you could find this colour of buck, if your does don't have any recessives then you will still only get chestnuts but at least their daughters will produce a variety

Exactly what I needed to know Thanks for the help, Dood!

 

[LopLover]

While on the subjects of Harlis, what would a rabbit with the genotype A_B_chlcD_ejej look like? Any thoughts Dood?

 

[Dood]

While on the subjects of Harlis, what would a rabbit with the genotype A_B_chlcD_ejej look like? Any thoughts Dood?

Sable magpie

Most of the small/pet breed magpies I see are sable/light shaded and not chinchilla/dark shaded based including my own :cheesysmile:

The young buck in the photo is Aa B_ cchlcchl Dd eje

 

[Tbgb1912]

While on the subjects of Harlis, what would a rabbit with the genotype A_B_chlcD_ejej look like? Any thoughts Dood?

Sable magpie

Most of the small/pet breed magpies I see are sable/light shaded and not chinchilla/dark shaded based including my own :cheesysmile:

The young buck in the photo is Aa B_ cchlcchl Dd eje

How do you tell the difference between a chinchilla or a sable shaded magpie?

 

[Dood]

It isnt easy

But *usually* the sable ones are "smuttier" and the distinction between the white and black areas are not as "crisp" if that makes sense :mrgreen:

 

[Susie570]

Thoughts on this buck? Would he be non-e? She's not sure of his color but said she had been calling him a broken frosted pearl. He's 14 months old. I'm asking about his color background.

She said she would try to get some better pictures of his color in the sun.

 

[Dood]

He looks like he has nice conformation but the pictures are not clear enough to accurately determine colour :shrug:

Possibly a broken tort? Which is a non-extension colour

Or broken Siamese sable ? And not a non-extension

Definitely NOT a broken Frosted Pearl
= A_ B_ cchd_ D_ ee
or
= A_ B_ cchl_ D_ ee

Can you get pictures of his parents or siblings?

 

[Susie570]

He looks like he has nice conformation but the pictures are not clear enough to accurately determine colour :shrug:

Possibly a broken tort? Which is a non-extension colour

Or broken Siamese sable ? And not a non-extension

Definitely NOT a broken Frosted Pearl
= A_ B_ cchd_ D_ ee
or
= A_ B_ cchl_ D_ ee

Can you get pictures of his parents or siblings?

I thought the same thing that he MIGHT possibly be a buck who would suit my needs... maybe... she's sending me more details on his genetics later today. I'm kind of excited about the possibility. Also need to know if he's a good boy. Would be just my luck to find a nice buck and he have a nasty personality. :roll:

__________ Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:29 pm __________

Ok, I think he's a broken sable :/ his dam is a chestnut and his sire is a broken sable steel. That's frustrating, he looks like a nice little guy.





<br /><br /> __________ Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:16 am __________ <br /><br /> Is this a black tort? Or a broken black?
Looks like a broken black to me, with steel maybe.

 

[Zinnia]

I think Steel is a good possibility. Last photo... if there's a better picture of the face it would be easier to tell. I think I see some tawny coloring, which would make br. Steel a good possibility there.

 

[Susie570]

I think Steel is a good possibility. Last photo... if there's a better picture of the face it would be easier to tell. I think I see some tawny coloring, which would make br. Steel a good possibility there.

Yeah, I'm only asking about the last rabbit. I told the guy I'm looking for a broken tort and he sent me that picture. I'm no color expert, not by a long shot, but it doesn't look like a tort to me. I just want other opinions on it. I think I see some 'tawny' in the coat as well.

 

[Dood]

Definitely agouti based - I clearly see rust colour at the nape of the neck - so this is a broken gold tipped steel / steel chestnut

Torts have orange/brown bodies with darker points

 

[Susie570]

Definitely agouti based - I clearly see rust colour at the nape of the neck - so this is a broken gold tipped steel / steel chestnut

Torts have orange/brown bodies with darker points

Yeah, that's what I thought too. I specifically asked him for broken tort. :roll:

I did question him about it this morning and he confirmed it's a G'tip Steel. Not what I'm looking for.

I also gave him the info about background genetics you provided earlier in the thread. :/

A nice solid tort with the proper background would be good too, wouldn't it?

 

[Dood]

You won't get any broken harli / tricolours (or any other broken pattern) since your harli doe is solid / Dutch and not broken

 

[Susie570]

You won't get any broken harli / tricolours (or any other broken pattern) since your harli doe is solid / Dutch and not broken

The harli doe is a Mini Lop I do have a harli dutch, but of course she's not meant to be part of my ML breeding program. I'm breeding her THIS time to serve as a foster mom if the new does have trouble with their litters... she's such a great mom and raises SWEET babies, but harder to sell cross-breed bunnies.