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Ok.. I am going to try to explain they way i am thinking here.... I have 4 blacks... now two of them are really black compare to the two other blacks... shouldnt i cull the ones that are not so dark black or can i breed the two together and still get good strong blacks.. They are french angora .. so when the fibre is there the blacks do fade... but the two that i am talking about look more like a grey than a black.. but there heads are black and was born black.. Now this is the same for my chocolates.. I have two that are nice color browns and one that isnt... do i cull that one and not use in my breeding program or should be ok to use it and babies will come out either way regardless on which light or dark shades i use.??
 
Sounds like you migh be getting self chinchillas in there. My blue self chin buck looks almost like a dark smoked pearl, and the self black chin kit he threw looked like a seal for the longest time unil he got his first senior coat in.

Is it possible they carry chin? If so and you have decided to only breed for selfs than I would cull out the off colored kits. Otherwise, they do throw some pretty fun colors like sallanders and kits with blue eyes that shouldn't have them. I guess it depends on if your going for a show market or for pets too.
 
yes,,, I did get some chin... So i will just keep culling on for blacks only..... I know blacks are dominant color.. what about the chocolate i will have to do the same for them.. I chocolate did come from a blue tort i think.
but if i breed two blacks together being dominant... should i just get all black?
what about the chocolate.. I breed two chocolate together.... shouldnt i get... blacks,, chocolate and maybe lilac?
 
The chocolates could still potentially be self chins, I had a kit broken chocolate kit with blue eyes, so I know he was carrying chin.

If you breed the blacks together, you will get mostly blacks as it is dominant, but if they carry chocolate or dilute you can also get blues, chocolates, and lilacs.

If you breed your chocolates, they cannot produce blacks as they have to have two chocolate recessive genes to show chocolate, but they could potentially be carrying dilute, so you would get chocolates and potentially lilacs.

It would be possible for you to get chocolate from a blue tort, it just means he (that's your buck, right?) is carrying chocolate, and that your doe is carrying chocolate and is a non-dilute.
 
I would need to see, when you say gray. The wool is gray? The coat on my black buck is nearly white at the tips, the fiber has never been black. I got him at 12 weeks. The longer it grows out, the lighter it gets. I sheared the first coat, so what came in was much lighter than that one, and at the end of August, when he blew that coat, the fiber was white to the roots, and only now, am I getting an actual black coat.

If there heads are black, they are black, the cycle of fiber growth will determine how dark the wool is, as the follicle only produces so much color, then when the wool is released, the color comes in again. Not sure if I am explaining it right, but it's the reason why non molters only get one show coat, because the color is never as dark as the first coat.

Because my buck keeps his coat for so long, I have to go through several cycles before I see the black color again. If the coat had not blown in August, the natural cycle would have been almost 8 mos, and the wool would have been white.

I have a Jersey wooly who is as black as I've ever seen them. He doesn't have a proper sr coat yet. As it grows out, he will no longer be black, until he hits the end of his coat cycle, whenever he molts, and he may not have a black coat again for a while.
The first picture is him now, after blowing the jr coat. Th second picture is the jr coat. I need to get picts of the Angora, who looks horrible, in the middle of a food induced molt, and because I did not shear him, and he's very hard to pluck, I will have to wait for the new black coat to force the old gray/white coat out.
 

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You also have to watch out for sunbleaching. If you don't keep your blacks and chocolates in a building they will steadily fade until they molt.
 
Consider too, that the most intense concentration of color is in the guard hairs, the underwool is usually lighter (think lighter undercoat). If you eliminate the buns with more guard hairs... Satins have the most guard hairs and the most intense colors.
 

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