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Hiyaa, was just wondering if anyone can help clarify what colours these 2 mini lion lop bunnies are? Or understand some of the genetics? The photos are from when they were babies, to when we got them to now. Have also put a picture of mum lion head and dad mini lop.
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You asked about the genetics. There are several genes at work here. Each rabbit gets two copies of each gene, one from each parent. A dominant gene is boss, it only needs one copy to muscle in and take over, recessive genes will need both copies to show. Let's start with the ABCs.
A is for agouti. This is wild rabbit pattern, with several different bands of color on a single hairshaft, usually white eye rings, white belly, a fawn (yellow) triangle behind the ears. The bands are of the main dark color (blue in opals, chocolate brown in chocolate agouti, light brown in lynx; chestnut agouti is the oddball, mixing the gray from the black with some yellow to make chestnut, aka castor) on the outside of the hair, then a yellowish band, then the base color. Agouti is the dominant choice, non-agouti (aka self colors like black, blue, lilac, chocolate and tortoise shell) is the recessive option.

The B gene is for Black/Brown. Black based color (dominant, which includes black, blue, opal, castor). The recessive is chocolate based color (chocolate, lilac, lynx, chocolate agouti).

C is for Color, this is a cascading series of five options. The most dominant is full color--think of all the agouti rabbits, the self colors, torts. Next down we come to your buck--this is chinchilla. Chin takes the normal agouti coat, and removes all the yellow shades. So black chin is just a normal castor without the yellow to make the outside of the hair gray instead of chestnut, and the middle yellow band pearl white instead of fawn. Often, the eye color becomes gray, blue-gray, or blue like your buck. The other options on the C gene are sable, Californian/pointed white/ Himalayan pattern with an all-white coat and dark points, and finally albino red-eyed (aka ruby-eyed) white.

D is for Dilute/Dense. Dense is full color, and dominant. Dilute is the recessive, where the color is paler than normal (black becomes blue, chocolate becomes lilac, orange becomes fawn/cream).

Lastly, E is for Extension, and describes how the agouti bands of color extend along the hairshaft. This is closely related to the A agouti gene, because it determines how the agouti pattern appears on the hair. The most dominant choice here is also quite rare, only found in a few breeds. It is called Dominant Black, and it spreads the outer dark band all the way down the hairshaft, so the rabbit looks like a self black. Next is steel, where the middle yellow band is pushed way out to the tip of the fiber, making a yellow (gold) tip, which is why they are called gold-tipped steel. If you add chinchilla to steel, the yellow becomes pearl white, and the tip becomes silvery--hence silver-tipped steel. The normal rabbit color, with normal agouti extension of bands is next, followed by the choice you see in your kits.

This is harlequin. Here, the yellow and dark bands of color are on separate patches of skin instead of bands on a single hairshaft, making those stripes, splotches and bands of color. The division of color down the middle of the face and middle of the back are common here. If you add in the chinchilla gene, the bands become white and dark, instead of yellow and dark. That would be the case with your buck.

The last choice on this gene is the most recessive, called 'non-extension'. This is the opposite of the most dominant choice, that extended the dark all the way down the hairshaft. In non-extension, the dark is a non-starter, and the yellow extends all the way out. This makes red/orange/fawn/cream agouti rabbits, with the yellow tone all over the body. In non-agouti self colored rabbits, you end up with tortoise shell, where the main body is the yellow shade, but the cooler points (ears, head, tail and feet) still retain their dark color. This is what your doe is.

So, you bred the most recessive choice on the E gene (non-extension) to the next most dominant choice (harlequin, your buck is a chinchilla harlequin--called 'magpie'). Not a surprise that the more dominant harlequin appeared in both kits. The doe had the more dominant full color to the buck's chinchilla. Again, not a surprise the more dominant color won out in the kits--you have full-color harlequin kits.
 
You asked about the genetics. There are several genes at work here. Each rabbit gets two copies of each gene, one from each parent. A dominant gene is boss, it only needs one copy to muscle in and take over, recessive genes will need both copies to show. Let's start with the ABCs.
A is for agouti. This is wild rabbit pattern, with several different bands of color on a single hairshaft, usually white eye rings, white belly, a fawn (yellow) triangle behind the ears. The bands are of the main dark color (blue in opals, chocolate brown in chocolate agouti, light brown in lynx; chestnut agouti is the oddball, mixing the gray from the black with some yellow to make chestnut, aka castor) on the outside of the hair, then a yellowish band, then the base color. Agouti is the dominant choice, non-agouti (aka self colors like black, blue, lilac, chocolate and tortoise shell) is the recessive option.

The B gene is for Black/Brown. Black based color (dominant, which includes black, blue, opal, castor). The recessive is chocolate based color (chocolate, lilac, lynx, chocolate agouti).

C is for Color, this is a cascading series of five options. The most dominant is full color--think of all the agouti rabbits, the self colors, torts. Next down we come to your buck--this is chinchilla. Chin takes the normal agouti coat, and removes all the yellow shades. So black chin is just a normal castor without the yellow to make the outside of the hair gray instead of chestnut, and the middle yellow band pearl white instead of fawn. Often, the eye color becomes gray, blue-gray, or blue like your buck. The other options on the C gene are sable, Californian/pointed white/ Himalayan pattern with an all-white coat and dark points, and finally albino red-eyed (aka ruby-eyed) white.

D is for Dilute/Dense. Dense is full color, and dominant. Dilute is the recessive, where the color is paler than normal (black becomes blue, chocolate becomes lilac, orange becomes fawn/cream).

Lastly, E is for Extension, and describes how the agouti bands of color extend along the hairshaft. This is closely related to the A agouti gene, because it determines how the agouti pattern appears on the hair. The most dominant choice here is also quite rare, only found in a few breeds. It is called Dominant Black, and it spreads the outer dark band all the way down the hairshaft, so the rabbit looks like a self black. Next is steel, where the middle yellow band is pushed way out to the tip of the fiber, making a yellow (gold) tip, which is why they are called gold-tipped steel. If you add chinchilla to steel, the yellow becomes pearl white, and the tip becomes silvery--hence silver-tipped steel. The normal rabbit color, with normal agouti extension of bands is next, followed by the choice you see in your kits.

This is harlequin. Here, the yellow and dark bands of color are on separate patches of skin instead of bands on a single hairshaft, making those stripes, splotches and bands of color. The division of color down the middle of the face and middle of the back are common here. If you add in the chinchilla gene, the bands become white and dark, instead of yellow and dark. That would be the case with your buck.

The last choice on this gene is the most recessive, called 'non-extension'. This is the opposite of the most dominant choice, that extended the dark all the way down the hairshaft. In non-extension, the dark is a non-starter, and the yellow extends all the way out. This makes red/orange/fawn/cream agouti rabbits, with the yellow tone all over the body. In non-agouti self colored rabbits, you end up with tortoise shell, where the main body is the yellow shade, but the cooler points (ears, head, tail and feet) still retain their dark color. This is what your doe is.

So, you bred the most recessive choice on the E gene (non-extension) to the next most dominant choice (harlequin, your buck is a chinchilla harlequin--called 'magpie'). Not a surprise that the more dominant harlequin appeared in both kits. The doe had the more dominant full color to the buck's chinchilla. Again, not a surprise the more dominant color won out in the kits--you have full-color harlequin kits.
Thank you, this is great! Definitely has helped with starting to understand how the genetics work :) I’ve seen people describe harlequins with their colours like you did with the chinchilla harlequin/magpie buck, so just to check do we just say full colour for these kits or what colour names too?
 
Thank you, this is great! Definitely has helped with starting to understand how the genetics work :) I’ve seen people describe harlequins with their colours like you did with the chinchilla harlequin/magpie buck, so just to check do we just say full colour for these kits or what colour names too?
The harlequin gene is more of a pattern gene than a color gene; harlequins come in different colors. Different genes determine the color in that pattern.

Commonly a harlequin with orange or fawn is called a harlequin, and one with white instead of orange is called a magpie, although both have the harlequin allele <ej> (which is also called the "japanese brindling gene").

@judymac uses the term "chinchilla harlequin" because genetically it's another gene, chinchilla <cchd>, that removes the orange pigment from a magpie, leaving the white in its place; however, I think most people would be confused by the term chinchilla harlequin, outside of a discussion of genetics.

The convention under the American Rabbit Breeders Association (ARBA) standard is to call a black and orange harlequin "japanese" and a black and white harlequin "magpie."

Each of the two varieties comes in black but also can be blue (dilute black), chocolate, or lilac (dilute chocolate) instead. So, for example, on a pedigree you would indicate japenese - black (or - blue, - chocolate or - lilac) or magpie - black (or - blue, - chocolate, or - lilac).

So, you could call your bunnies harlequin (black) or simply harlequin, and most people would understand which color and pattern you're referring to.
 
.The convention under the American Rabbit Breeders Association (ARBA) standard is to call a black and orange harlequin "japanese" and a black and white harlequin "magpie."
Just to add, I think Kaitxx may be in the UK, as I am - they are just called Harlequin and Magpie here, no Japanese.

Mini Lion Lops are an official recognised breed here in UK, they've been around for a decade or two. I know that's not the case in the USA where they're not accepted.
 
, your buck is a chinchilla harlequin--called 'magpie'
Yes, we would not say 'chinchilla harlequin' as a color name, just 'magpie' to explain that the harlequin gene has been interacting with chinchilla, and the yellow shades have been reduced to pearl white. I just used chinchilla harlequin to explain the two genes teaming up to create magpie.
 
do we just say full colour for these kits or what colour names too?
When describing harlequin kits, I use the term 'harlequin' to describe rabbits that have a dark color with yellow, along with the name of the dark color, so I might say 'chocolate harlequin' for a rabbit with chocolate and fawn (the name for yellow in Angora rabbits.) Some pedigrees have 'chocolate/fawn harlequin', or 'blue/cream harlequin' (in Angoras, fawn is the name for normal yellow coloration, and cream is the name for dilute yellow; in some other breeds, the normal yellow is called 'orange' and the dilute is called 'fawn', sorry for any confusion.). For a magpie, the pedigree might say 'chocolate magpie' or 'blue magpie', as the other color is always pearl white in magpies.

As with most rabbit colors, black is often not listed, and considered the default color. So, if the pedigree just says 'harlequin', it is assumed to be a black with fawn. The same holds for tortoiseshell, if the pedigree just has 'tort' or 'tortoiseshell', it is assumed to have an orange coat with black points. If it has some other color of points, then you would specify, such as 'chocolate tort' or 'lilac tortoiseshell'. Californians are assumed to have black points unless stated otherwise, such as 'chocolate Himi' or 'blue pointed white' or 'lilac Californian'.(Himalayan, Californian & pointed white are all names for the gene that removes color from the main body but retains the dark color on the points, the 'correct' name depends on the breed). 'Chinchilla' on a pedigree is black-based chinchilla, you don't need to say 'black chinchilla'. However, if the dark color is blue, lilac, or chocolate, you would then specify which color, such as 'lilac chin' or 'lilac chinchilla'.
 

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