cinnamons

[akane]

Anyone know anything about cinnamons? I'm debating the chin x cinnamons in this ad http://iowacity.craigslist.org/grd/4055804052.html until I can get some pure chins next spring. $10 and a 30min drive :shrug:

__________ Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:41 am __________

Darn it I lost my SOP. Can anyone tell me the body shape and fur type on a cinnamon?

 

[Dood]

Cinnamons are a tortoiseshell (self black with two non extension) coloured meat rabbit with a commercial frame. Because the are a mostly recessive colour you won't see tort unless you breed siblings.

The coloured Chin x Cinn should carry chinchilla, but not the white kits, so if bred to your AmChins you could get chinchilla, chestnuts, and possibly frosty/ermine, blacks or torts

There kits look nice and meaty - I say go for it.

 

[akane]

I was going to cross them to my american sables and at least one of my bucks carries nonextension because he's thrown torts on my creme d'argent.

 

[Dood]

If they carry chin then that will trump the sable gene and you would get chinchilla based frostys.

The fur is roll back - same as AmChins. did some more looking and most sources say fly back which is a shame since they were originally from AmChin breedings

Perhaps someone with the SOP could clarify.

 

[Peach]

Cinnamons are beautiful! I saw a my first one in real life at my last show and it was very deserving of the BIS table and where honorably mentioned. I'm sure there will be some at Convention! Yesterday the BOB 2012 Cinnamon owner was contemplating selling her. As for the amount, that's beyond me!

 

[akane]

If cinnamons are full color and I breed to my seal carrying nonextension then we should get chins, chestnuts carrying sable, ermine/frosty and I think that's it... oh cinnamons are self so blacks, black chins, torts that might be more cinnamons... It'll be interesting. I may have to make some room for this though. I've been holding on to a group of 4 american sables in the hope of selling them rather than butchering and there's that creme d'argent who sadly is not producing well anymore and all the silvered torts she's had this year died. I was hoping for a doe one to replace her because it makes such a pretty color and she was such a good producer for 4 years but it may be time to give up and butcher her.

__________ Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:02 pm __________

Alright he's gonna check for 2 does for me when he gets home and if he doesn't have them he has 9 about ready to wean. Apparently they only have a single cinnamon buck so they sadly can't breed purebred anything. I'll cross them with my sables this fall for fun and then breed them in to the amchins which some may be part palomino next year. Pure amchins sure are hard to find. I might have to create some.

__________ Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:16 pm __________

 

[SatinsRule]

Not really sure if the American Sables and Cinnamons match for undercolor in their respective SOP's, but it's worth looking at. I know the dark saddle markings on a Cinnamon must be present or it is a showroom DQ.

As for body type, they're very similar to Californians.

 

[akane]

I plan to breed out the cinnamon. If I get some that are a fair color I might try breeding them since they are so rare but my main goal is to get the chin side. I think I will cross to a seal buck and keep the chin colored offspring carrying sable then breed to a pointed white so some will come out sable and I will have chins carrying pointed white. I can keep going like that keeping the self offspring for breeding to sables and the chin offspring for breeding back and forth to seals and pointed whites until I get proper colored sables with amchin coats and better bone structure.

 

[Dood]

Remember your sable buck likely carries himilayan (or REW) otherwise he'd look more like a seal.

Unless you've tried him on a pointed white and only got sables then some of the [chin x cinn] x sable will carry a white gene instead.

Oops just realized you said SEAL buck producing sable carrying chinchillas "Doh!"

 

[akane]

American sables all carry himi aka pointed white not rew unless someone crossed out. So you only get seal, sable, pointed white when breeding american sables. Or you should. I'm pretty sure I have a sable point. One of the kits really looked like one and now that they are grown they all look pointed white except one has a greyish head. We could say it's smut but then there was that odd kit in that litter.... I just didn't mark it and keep track of which one as it grew. I know my seal buck carries nonextension because he's thrown torts and reds on my creme d'argent. The breeders in the area can't tell me where it came from. No one's outcrossed to anything but calis and not for a long time in this area.