Calf Manna

[Cohen Rabbitry]

Ok, so I finally bought some calf manna, as my bucks seem to hate BOSS and oats. :slap: I am giving the Calf Manna to my show stock. They have until Feb. 12th before they go to a show. I have a couple of questions. How long do you feed it to them, and how much do you feed to them? I have heard a teaspoon and i heard a tablespoon. They get 1/2 cup a feed a day. Does anyone just feed it year long to their show herd?

Thanks
Rachel

 

[avdpas77]

The manufacture's advice is to feed lactating does 1 tablespoon and individual animals 1 teaspoon. Some rabbits will get soft feces from the supplement, so keep an eye out for that.

 

[Jack]

FEED IT IN A SEPARATE CUP
they will dig the entire dish to get to some, and if you feed in the same dish they will dig the food looking for calf manna, sorry, but that is the main reason I cut back on feeding it to everybody

 

[PhoenixFarm]

Purina does NOT recommend using Calf Manna as a daily diet. It is too'rich'. If you want something like it to be part of the regular diet, you may just want to try Manna Pro

 

[Jack]

um, Purnia, would probably suggest one of their products...

Of course they don't recommend it, it's a massively successful product from one of their competitors
For a pet rabbit, you are going to run into trouble, it will add fat, and you can kill a rabbit by messing up their digestion from too much, but a little bit goes a long way and really seems to help.

 

[SatinsRule]

The manufacture's advice is to feed lactating does 1 tablespoon and individual animals 1 teaspoon. Some rabbits will get soft feces from the supplement, so keep an eye out for that.

Amen to that. My best red buck got it shortly after I began feeding it. Other than that, it's a really good, proven feed supplement.

Also, although I originally fed Manna Pro Sho formula, I switched over to Purina due to a couple of rabbits nearly falling apart on MPS. One of my bucks actually began eating his own hair, but has since stopped doing so when I did the brand switchover.

 

[Cohen Rabbitry]

I returned the calf manna. After reading replies and doing more research I found that it would do more harm then good. I am going to try the no supplement method and see how that works. In theory genetics should take care of their coat. So, we will see.

Rachel

 

[SatinsRule]

IMHO, you jumped the gun on it, Rachel. It's a quality supplement which has been proven over time, and like anything else you may ever supplement your feeds with, you have to be careful how much you feed.

I fed it to every single one of my rabbits, and only Sid got soft feces from it. I fed him a few sycamore leaves and a carrot last night, and this morning he was cleared up.

 

[pfaubush]

I feed Milk Plus (the Cargill version of Calf Manna) to first time does or does with very large litters. I also give it to some show bunnies a couple weeks before a show, if I think they could use some condition. I give it regularly to fryers that I need to reach weight (they grow like weeds with it).

I use a TBL per rabbit and top dress their feed dish with it. I haven't had a problem with any scrabbling to find more. If you mix it in, that could cause the digging.

I've never had a problem with it in my rabbits.

 

[PhoenixFarm]

um, Purnia, would probably suggest one of their products...

Of course they don't recommend it, it's a massively successful product from one of their competitors
p.

Purina manufactures Calf-Manna, as well as Pro-Manna
for other reasons, I stay away from Purina as much as I can. But Calf Manna, for a stressed animal, for a very short period, is okay with me-- just wish it came in smaller packages so when and if I decide to use it as a supplement, I don't wind up trashing so much of it.

__________ Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:36 pm __________

Also, although I originally fed Manna Pro Sho formula, I switched over to Purina due to a couple of rabbits nearly falling apart on MPS. One of my bucks actually began eating his own hair, but has since stopped doing so when I did the brand switchover.

<br /><br />__________ Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:39 pm __________<br /><br />

 

[Jack]

Sorry Phoenix, I checked, and they have a calf manna type product, but it's not calf manna, which I prefer, it seems to really increase the milk supply over others I've tried.

 

[PulpFaction]

IMHO, you jumped the gun on it, Rachel. It's a quality supplement which has been proven over time, and like anything else you may ever supplement your feeds with, you have to be careful how much you feed.

I concur, it's a very useful and safe supplement when used correctly.

 

[SatinsRule]

IMHO, you jumped the gun on it, Rachel. It's a quality supplement which has been proven over time, and like anything else you may ever supplement your feeds with, you have to be careful how much you feed.

I concur, it's a very useful and safe supplement when used correctly.

Pulp, what part of Anchorage do you live in? I used to live off Klatt Road in the south end of the city when I was stationed up there.

 

[PhoenixFarm]

Sorry Phoenix, I checked, and they have a calf manna type product, but it's not calf manna, which I prefer, it seems to really increase the milk supply over others I've tried.

Jack, look at the customer service phone number on the Calf-manna bags- it is Purina. I had a problem with some Calf-Manna a few years ago, and the return call came from Purina's quality control department.
Manna Pro and Calf Manna are not species specific feeds. Both were designed to maintain or supplement multiple species. My first rabbits came with a 50 pound bag of Manna Pro.
Purina had a well respected reputation for being a leader in animal nutrition research. You are aware of "Cat Chow" and "Dog Chow"? Well, there was also "Lion Chow" "Horse Chow", "Pig Chow", "Monkey Chow" etc.And all those original products have been 'improved.'
There are what are called 'parent' corporations that own smaller ones-- they get a bigger slice of the consumer dollar by marketing products under different names. "Maytag"-a 'stand alone' brand is the producer of many of the Sears "Kenmore" products. "Ford" owns "Lincoln" and "Mercury"-- same cars, just dressed a bit differently.

I am super picky about what commercial foods I feed my animals. I lost a very good Service Dog partly as a result of feeding her what I thought to be a quality product produced by Purina. The product I fed her was a small line not included in the first wave of recalled melamine tainted dog food several years ago.


Just becasue the BIG NAME on the front of the packages are not the same, it does not mean that they are not the SAME name in the long run.

 

[Jack]

My understanding was that Nestle only owned Purina, and that MANNA Pro is a completely different company, now I don't claim that both products maybe made at the same mill. But I do believe they aren't the same company, (nestle if you bothered to check)

 

[PulpFaction]

IMHO, you jumped the gun on it, Rachel. It's a quality supplement which has been proven over time, and like anything else you may ever supplement your feeds with, you have to be careful how much you feed.

I concur, it's a very useful and safe supplement when used correctly.

Pulp, what part of Anchorage do you live in? I used to live off Klatt Road in the south end of the city when I was stationed up there.

Right smack dab in the middle of downtown.

 

[PhoenixFarm]

I guess all the time I spend reading government recalls on human and animal food dosn't let me know the food producing hierarchy. So who gets the blame for causing so much pain for people 4 years ago? The farmer who grew the wheat that was shipped to China and then sold back in the form of contaminated gluten? China? Did you know there was a recall of corn based animal feeds 2 years ago, and that it was all kept very hush-hush? How about the recall on horse feed, but the company admitted that the grain was also used in other animal feeds- the only reason the horse feed was recalled was because some expensive race horses died. The aflatoxin in "Dad's" was present in many other lines of dog food- but to find out the lines,one had to call the original mill, and ask them if they had sold the corn to the brand you were interested in. If you follow the recall orders, you KNOW who is responsible for the quality--and in the case of the Calf Manna and Manna Pro it is Purina.
Now, I am going to imagine myself by a waterfall, the pool of water at it's base very clear and oh, so cool. Birds sing sweetly in the tree canopy. The sun is warm and soothing on my back as.... OOOPS sorry

 

[PulpFaction]

Terry, even some very high end, expensive foods killed dogs during that recall. (I worked at a vet at the time, it was a nightmare.)

ALL processed foods carry additional risk that you just don't find in whole foods. At every level of processing, it just opens the door for things to go wrong. With every added ingredient, it's an extra ingredient that could be spoiled or have rat poison in it, etc. Thus my recent switch to grains and hay!

Even with my dog food, I go for the product with the shortest ingredient list. My dog right now eats a locally milled product made only from salmon meal, local barley and potatoes, and kelp!

 

[PhoenixFarm]

I know what those high end foods were-- and they didn't get recalled until the second round. THAT is why I get stuff from the USDA/FSIS in my mailbox every day-- and those e-mails just make me want to get out of eating ANY commercially processed food for good.If I had not cremated Breezy, I would havehad legal recourse. AS it was, When I found out the new list, I got Connor to our vet,-no appointment, just walked right in- and he was started on a detox series. A week later I noticed Connor's topline was changing--he had been affected and I couldn't see it because of my distress. see, when Breezy died, and I was told what I had fed her to help her until I could get her to the vet for another reason(the recall was not known to us in the boonies at that point)I fed the remainder to Connor. His body had been telling me for over a week that he was poisoned, as well...Every day I wonder of the bag of dog food that is almost empty, or the bag of pellets , will have some sort of recall or advisory attached to the lot number.
Now, I am having a rather severe PTSD issue---I do not like remembering December 6, 2006

 

[Devon's Mom Lauren]

It looks like manna pro is its own company, it succeeded the Carnation Company milling division in 1985. Now maybe Nestle owns the carnation company I don't know... but here are some links...

http://www.mannapro.com/about/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purina_Mills#External_links