Broken Blue Otter English Lop

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I am expanding my rabbitry and adding english lops. I just purchased a broken blue otter buck, he's gorgeous. But this will be my first time with an otter color. One thing I read said I can breed to selfs, then another thing I read said not to and to only breed otters to otters. So my question is, what color does should I get to pair him with?
 
You can breed to either selfs or otters successfully. I have both in my Satins and they have made some beautiful babies. Since otter was accepted for English Lops in all the base colors (black, blue, chocolate and lilac), you could really go with any variety of self or otter. If you want to maximize otter kits, choosing an otter doe with no self in her pedigree will help with that (though she could still have a recessive self gene).

But if you are hoping to produce a maximum number of showable kits, I will warn you of an experience I've had fairly frequently, if only from a particular line in my barn. Sometimes when you breed otters with selfs, you get what I call "tweeners." They look like a self until you flip them over, which is when you notice a shimmer on their bellies... They are otters, only lousy ones with the most minimal markings, usually a bit on the chest and maybe around the mouth or chin, but nothing on their ears, eyes or feet. I'll post pictures of my original tweener, Moon (she had a moon eye), who looked like a self black until I turned her over:
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I have a litter out there now of half selfs and half tweeners (from an otter buck and Moon's Grand Champion black granddaughter, Moonstruck). I raise Satins for both show and meat, so I don't mind a few unshowable tweeners, given that the Moon line carries tremendous type and fur, and has given me four Grand Champions so far. And like I said, it seems to be distinct to this particular Moon line - I haven't got them from my other otter/self crosses. But I have had other breeders tell me they've had the same thing happen, so it's something you might like to be aware of.
 
Vehanks for that info, thats very helpful. I am hoping to havea good variety of showable rabbits, since I want to give 4h and ffa people in my area a better option of rabbits in the future. I was looking in his genetics and he has a lot of chestnuts and tortoiseshell in his background. If I were to get either of those colors as a doe would that mess up the otter? And if so, would I still at least get showable colors or would I expect a lot of unknowable ones?
 
Vehanks for that info, thats very helpful. I am hoping to havea good variety of showable rabbits, since I want to give 4h and ffa people in my area a better option of rabbits in the future. I was looking in his genetics and he has a lot of chestnuts and tortoiseshell in his background. If I were to get either of those colors as a doe would that mess up the otter? And if so, would I still at least get showable colors or would I expect a lot of unknowable ones?

In lops, a really wide range of colors is accepted so you won't really have too much trouble breeding any of the colors you mentioned together. Otters are newly accepted in the lops so you'll probably find that most otters have more of the "classic" colors in their pedigree. If you get a chestnut doe, look for one with selfs and/or otters in her background and you'll likely get the biggest variety of colors in the litter.

The colors I'd stay away from, at least at first, would be:
Steel (ticked group) - IMO a spectacular color in lops, French Lops in particular, but it does NOT mix well with most other varieties. Getting a steel gene floating around in your otters or selfs can really mess things up. Getting two steel genes can give you rabbits that look like selfs but aren't, which is even messier.
Sable (or Sable Chinchilla, Sable Point, etc.) - a color that is beautiful when paired with agouti but can mess with selfs and otters.
Silver/Silver Fox - yet another variety accepted in lops that does not play well with others. :)

One with a caveat: Chinchilla (agouti group)- it's accepted in lops, but mixed with otter it gives silver martin, and I'm not sure if that's accepted or not. (It may have been voted in with the otter, but I'm not sure; I've asked my Englop breeder friend but haven't heard back yet.)

Other than that, in your blue (dilute) otter buck carrying a possible non-extension gene (from the tortoiseshell), you could really get a rainbow of colors. And fortunately, lops accept a rainbow of colors!

If you're interested in the technicalities of the agoutis/otters/selfs, here's a quick summary:

The basic scheme of rabbit colors at the "A" locus (a locus is basically a stretch of DNA that codes for a particular characteristic) is pretty simple. There's agouti <A>, tan also known as otter, <at> and self <a>. This locus dictates the characteristic of where on the hair shaft certain colors will or won't appear.

Agoutis include the "banded" colors like chestnut, opal, chinchilla, lynx, and also less obvious ones like red, orange and fawn.

Tans include otters and silver martins.

Selfs are the solid colored rabbits like black, blue, chocolate and lilac, but they also include the color tortoiseshell (which, believe it or not, is actually a black rabbit with another gene that prevents the black from showing up on most of the rabbit).

Agouti is dominant, which means that's what you'll see on the rabbit even if it "carries" one of the other genes. Tan(otter) is recessive to agouti but dominant over self and self is recessive to both of the other two. Other than the issue of tweeners I mentioned in the previous post, you don't get a lot of interference when you breed the various A locus varieties together, as long as they're all accepted in the breed. (It's at other loci where you'll get that intereference, as mentioned above).
 
Thank you so much for taking the time and explaining that! That all makes sense. I wanted to be clear on what I can look for in a doe. And thats great to hear that I can use a variety of colors (save for the few that I'll be sure to try to avoid until I get more experience)to go with him. That way I can focus more on a good body and ears then the color.
 
I thought I'd share a pic of him. My grandma named him King Arthur, because he looks royal and fancy, lol!
Wow, that is a good-looking rabbit! Beautiful taper from shoulder to hindquarters, and a good deep blue color. I can see why you're excited about him!
Love the name, too. :)
 

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