Breeding program updates for our start up year!

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Comet007

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I haven't been on RT much at all for several months now, due to a myriad of health issues that really got out of hand this year. I've missed keeping up with everyone!

Despite all that fun stuff, we have been able to keep to our breeding schedule that I mapped out before we even brought home our breeding trio! I know many cautioned that we shouldn't expect our buns to cooperate with my plans, but I think we have been blessed with a whole lot of beginners luck! :D

Some may recall that we started with a NZR broken buck (Shaggy) and two NZB broken does (Daphne & Velma), and our does were the runts of their litter - so we were NOT expecting to be able to hit 8 weeks for processing time! We brought them home on March 1st when the girls were just 3 months old, and Shaggy was 7 months old, so we were all complete nubes at the time.

So far we have had four sets of litters born, and are due to breed three does again next week to start round five. We've been following a 25 day breed back plan, moving the kits to the grow out cages at 5 weeks, with the goal of processing the kits at 9 weeks.

The first three times we bred the does, they both took, and to my surprise I was able to palpate and feel embryos at about 12 days along! All three litters, Daphne delivered at 31 days and Velma at 32. So in round four, we added Dusty (a NZR broken we held back from round 1), and bred Velma a day early in the hope that she would deliver on the same day as the others. All three does had healthy litters, but Velma was obstinate and had hers on day 31 this time, so a day earlier than Daphne and Dusty's litters.

The first two rounds, we had a total of 22 live kits (each time) and about 75% made it to processing time. We have seemed to lose a few each round to injuries, and it appears that Velma is the one who tends to be more careless somehow. Although a good mother otherwise, for this reason she will be the first doe we replace.

In the weeks just prior to breeding rounds 3 & 4 we had highly unusual (for our area) hot weather, getting up to the mid 80's, so even though we put ice blocks in the cages we had smaller litter sizes. In round 3 one doe had 9 kits and the other had 7 and the kits were smaller than in round 2, and we had a higher loss rate, losing 5 kits, though two of those were due to injury while still in the nest box. I'm not sure if the does were just more careless when nursing, or what else could have happened.

In round 4 all three does had eight kits! They will be three weeks old tomorrow and Saturday, and so far we've only lost one kit, and that one died at two days old. We were really surprised that Dusty at five months old was already bigger than Daphne and Velma, who are fully grown now! We figured out that they had been runts, but since Dusty was from a first litter and those kits were smaller, we just figured that she would end up a smaller rabbit! A happy surprise, for sure.

As for processing, the first litters were smaller, so we waited until they were 11 weeks old. The second round were in the perfect range at 9 weeks. The third would have been just slightly small at 9 weeks, but they got a one week reprieve because I had an emergency surgery that week and wasn't up to a weekend of cooking school!

I think I'll do a separate post later about how our processing went, since this one's a bit long already!
 
Good job! You have been doing great with your rabbits.
I wish my luck was as good as yours.
 
Thanks! We have been really pleased, and absolutely love working with the rabbits. It's completely awesome to get new babies every two months! Plus I have my business in my home that I still work part time (nail salon) and when the babies are still in the nest box we bring them inside so many of my clients LOVE getting to see the babies when they come to get their nails done, LOL! How many nail salons offer a little bunny snuggle to start off their service? :D

Starting with our January processing we will be able to start selling the extra rabbits for meat, so we are really hoping that we can cover the feed costs that way. We are going to be concentrating on getting a really good line of NZR's, and when we get them to processing at 8 weeks we will start trying to sell breeding stock. Since they are commonly thought to produce slower, the hope is that we will have something exceptional to offer.

This year has been incredibly hard for me physically, to where I can no longer stand or walk for more than a few minutes at a time - and through all this the rabbits have definitely been the highlight of my life!
 
JessiL":eu2i8um3 said:
It's great to hear that you're doing well, Comet007! Have you kept up with your herbal supplements for the rabbits, and if so, what seems to be helping them the most?

We have kept up with the herbals as planned, and they seem to be working fine. For the most part we have really healthy buns so far, and it's impossible to know if the preventatives are the cause of that or if we've just had good luck on our side. Really, for the low cost it is worth it to take that extra step - at least in our estimation, even though our sampling is way to small for true scientific evidence. We only give preventatives to our breeding stock or any buns held back for future breeding, as the babies mostly get what they need from mothers milk and are processed by around 9 weeks before problems arise.

A few things that I do think we can give direct credit for --

We've had good success with willing first time breeding of our does using the OACV in their water and the parsley for 10 days for the does and a mix of herbs for the bucks. We also had a doe last litter that we weren't sure she finished expelling all the babies, so we gave her an herb mix that seemed to do the trick. Of course, she may have finished on her own given time.

We had one of our bucks go off feed and start to slim down, and used an herb mix that had him eating normally in a day or so and back up to weight in no time, and have used a couple herbs for calming buns in a few stressful situations, and of course, any inconsistency in appearance of bunny berries is cleared up right away with raspberry leaves.

So for us I would say it's something we see the value in continuing, and we feel good in knowing that we've done what we can to care for them.
 
Comet007":174f0hk6 said:
JessiL":174f0hk6 said:
It's great to hear that you're doing well, Comet007! Have you kept up with your herbal supplements for the rabbits, and if so, what seems to be helping them the most?
we weren't sure she finished expelling all the babies, so we gave her an herb mix that seemed to do the trick. Of course, she may have finished on her own given time.

We had one of our bucks go off feed and start to slim down, and used an herb mix that had him eating normally in a day or so and back up to weight in no time, and have used a couple herbs for calming buns in a few stressful situations, and of course, any inconsistency in appearance of bunny berries is cleared up right away with raspberry leaves.

What did you use for the cleanout of the doe? What did you feed the buck?
 
EnglishSpot":2sf16qxu said:
Comet007":2sf16qxu said:
JessiL":2sf16qxu said:
It's great to hear that you're doing well, Comet007! Have you kept up with your herbal supplements for the rabbits, and if so, what seems to be helping them the most?
we weren't sure she finished expelling all the babies, so we gave her an herb mix that seemed to do the trick. Of course, she may have finished on her own given time.

We had one of our bucks go off feed and start to slim down, and used an herb mix that had him eating normally in a day or so and back up to weight in no time, and have used a couple herbs for calming buns in a few stressful situations, and of course, any inconsistency in appearance of bunny berries is cleared up right away with raspberry leaves.

What did you use for the cleanout of the doe? What did you feed the buck?

For the doe I used a mixture of equal parts lavender (aid with expulsion plus pain & stress), fenugreek (stimulate contractions) and blue cohosh (dilate birth canal and also helps with healing). I didn't confine it to a measurement - I think I put out about 3 T of the dried herbs and let her decide what to eat. I do know that there was one of the herbs she only ate some of, and the others she ate everything so I put out more. This is also the mixture that I would use if I had a doe who was late delivering her kits.

For the buck I did a mixture of equal parts fenugreek (fattening in case of wasting, be careful on pregnant does as it can stimulate labor), Dill (increases appetite), and Nettle (increases appetite and is a fattener and valuable as a convalescent herb). We gave him 1 T of the mixture plus a bit of oats/BOSS for about 3 days. His appetite was back to normal that third day and he's been fine since then.
 
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