blue otter, chinchilla?

[MatSuAK]

Sire is a blue satin, dam is opal satin/Flemish. I'm thinking 4 blues, but not sure. They all look different shades? One kits has distinct light otter type makings, blue otter or chinchilla? Last kit has a lighter tummy color, but not lighter inside of ears or facial markings? Any ideas?
These guys are 1 1/2 weeks old.

 

[Dood]

i believe the first kit is a blue chinchilla (AKA squirrel) and the second is a blue steel chinchilla which the self blue father could be hiding

It is odd you didn't get any opals - they should have brown areas usually around the back of the neck but in time the self blues might turn into steel opals

 

[Zass]

PRETTY

I agree. A squirrel(blue chin) and a silver tipped blue steel (blue chinchilla steel, like dood said).

There might be more steels that haven't shown their colors yet. Just look for tan or cream ticking to distinguish gold tips(opal based) from silver tips(chinchilla based).

 

[Susie570]

Soooo... I'm going to jump in and thread jack, briefly, with my annoying color clarification questions

A Chin and an Opal coats look basically the same, except the Chin has no hint of (tan/yellow) in its coat, but Opal does have (tan/yellow) in its coat?

To expand on that, you could have an agouti or self Chin or Opal.
You could have a Solid or Broken Chin or Opal.
The difference between a Chin an Magpie, is that Magpie has distinct dark areas of the coat, clearly separated from the white areas by brindling, spots or broken pattern, while a Chin does not??

 

[MatSuAK]

Okay great! Thanks!
I'm far from positive the other 4 are self blues. They are all different shades and look different then my other kits, thought it was just the fur type, but probably the steel you are talking about. Will know in a few weeks opcorn:

 

[Zass]

Soooo... I'm going to jump in and thread jack, briefly, with my annoying color clarification questions

A Chin and an Opal coats look basically the same, except the Chin has no hint of (tan/yellow) in its coat, but Opal does have (tan/yellow) in its coat?

To expand on that, you could have an agouti or self Chin or Opal.
You could have a Solid or Broken Chin or Opal.
The difference between a Chin an Magpie, is that Magpie has distinct dark areas of the coat, clearly separated from the white areas by brindling, spots or broken pattern, while a Chin does not??

A normal chinchilla and an opal would look quite different.

What they are talking about here is blue chinchilla(squirrel) blue agouti(opal), and while were at it, blue otter would all look pretty similar as kits.

The opal and otter would have some tan or cream color on them. Only the blue chinchilla(and it's steeled variant) would be pure blue and white. An opal will eventually have a noticeable tan ring when blown into and ticking in the fur where an otter would have a cleaner blue color and no tan ring.

 

[MatSuAK]

I oopsed With your help, we had decided a few weeks ago that the doe was gold tipped blue steel, different from Opal. My bad.
Had to go back and look at the older post

 

[Dood]

Not too different - you could also call a gold tipped blue steel a steel Opal :mrgreen: but it explains why you don't have as many opals as you statistically should.

I highly suspect you might get super steel blues (that have 2 steel genes) that mimic self blue

Zass can tell you about the joys of sorting out self from agouti steel :mrgreen:

 

[Zass]

Zass can tell you about the joys of sorting out self from agouti steel :mrgreen:

No good can come of mixing self and steel in purebred rabbits.
:soap:

But it's fine for mixed breeds I just don't bother to separate self and masked steel. It's not possible :|

 

[MatSuAK]

Good to know :shock: As ultimately I'm hoping to focus on self & otter blues and blacks!

 

[Zass]

Steel will ruin your otters, so you might want to select for the clean agouti for now. If you crossed a super-steel to an otter, all you would get would be wreaked(steeled) otters.

Is there otter in the lines?

 

[MatSuAK]

I have a blond (rufus factor I have been told) agouti doe (unknown mix) that always throws 50% black otters & 50% normal agoutis when bred to any of my 3 self blue bucks. The 2 purebred satin bucks have a great grandmother that was broken chinchilla. The steel gene culprit I'm guessing. The 1/2 Satin blue buck has one of these bucks for a father and a tort mother.
No purebred otters yet, but thinking of trying to get some at the Portland Convention this year. I can dream inkbunny: