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Bad Habit

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So, was checking the babies today, and I think that one of my babies is blind, or at least has reduced visibility. His pupils are all cloudy, and he doesn't seem as responsive to movement as his siblings are. I noticed something was up when I reached into the cage and all the babies scattered except this one.

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Thoughts? Also, thoughts on selling him to a pet home? Obviously I'd let people know that I believe he's got vision problems, but should I make sure he's going to be an only rabbit, or make any cage recommendations?
 
Oh dear... I know that every time I see a "cloudy eye", I bring up the dreaded "P" word- but that eye looks just like the eye my house rabbit had that had Pasteurella.

I would cull it, hard as that is.
 
I looked up cloudy eye and this is what came up. I also looked up Pasteurella and is this bun having any other symptoms? I have no real advice but hope it all works out. It is a pretty lil bun. Here is what I came up with on cloudy eye search. http://www.petmd.com/rabbit/conditions/ ... GKARbJlS1A I don't think she is saying kill them all. Just referring to the blind one. I would put in quarantine though if you do not put down till you know what is happening.
 
Bad Habit":120vvr9g said:
So... kill them all then just because one rabbit may have been born blind?

No. Just that one kit. If the other kits are "normal" I would leave them alone.

The surface of the eye looks healthy, which is how my "Hassenpfeffer's" eye looked. It appeared that she had a cataract in the eye, but it was a Pastuerella abscess.

I haven't looked at the other links that were posted, and there may be other factors at work. You will have to make an educated decision based on the other information available before deciding to keep or cull.
 
For all I know, his eyes have been like this since they opened. I haven't ever really looked at the bunny eyes, and only noticed it because he didn't react to me reaching in the cage, so I had a closer look.

The only sneezing in my herd is from Lily when I feed poor quality hay, or the end of the feed bag, or dust in my room - she's always had sneezes when it's dusty, though, ever since I got her.

No runny eyes, no runny noses, no other symptoms of any sort. No absesses, no one holding their heads funny, nothing. Just one kit with cloudy eyes.

What are the chances that he would get absesses in both eyes that completely cover his pupil on both sides? Uniform colour, and completely covering his eye.

I don't understand why I wouldn't cull them all. If he has Pastuerella, which I understand to be very contagious and always fatal, then wouldn't all his littermates have it, and wouldn't it have had to stem from either his mum(most likely since they're in the same cage) or his father?

I guess I call the vet tomorrow and see what they charge to put a rabbit down.
 
I would quarantine first and then find out if it is pasteurella. If it was just born like this then make it a pet. find out what is happening first. Can the vet test for pasteurella?
 
Bad Habit":1k4kgxsy said:
If he has Pastuerella, which I understand to be very contagious and always fatal
I was unaware of that. I feel I must've missed something... :shock:
 
Nyctra":3ai74s8j said:
Bad Habit":3ai74s8j said:
If he has Pastuerella, which I understand to be very contagious and always fatal
I was unaware of that. I feel I must've missed something... :shock:

Well everyone always quarantine if they have the slightest inkling it might be pastuerella, and culls if their rabbit has one of the more definite symptoms. My thinking is that it's the Parvo of the rabbit world... but worse, because there's no treatment.

I could be wrong though.
 
Demamma":3j4lpvw5 said:
I looked up cloudy eye and this is what came up. I also looked up Pasteurella and is this bun having any other symptoms? I have no real advice but hope it all works out. It is a pretty lil bun. Here is what I came up with on cloudy eye search. http://www.petmd.com/rabbit/conditions/ ... GKARbJlS1A I don't think she is saying kill them all. Just referring to the blind one. I would put in quarantine though if you do not put down till you know what is happening.


Read what Demamma posted. (Thanks Demamma) Baby could just have a bacterial infection and with treatment it sounds like the cataracts and dissipate.

Poor thing. I think you would need an expert (Rabbit Vet) to find out what's really going on.

Karen
 
Bad Habit, I don't know what is wrong with your rabbit, but it's chances of a good life are poor and it may put your other rabbits at risk. I would put it down now and quarantine the rest of the litter and the doe for at least a month. Even if it is simply blind, it will be at a disadvantage in a pet home.

Incidentally, you need to learn how to put down a rabbit yourself. Vet visits are expensive and their methods are no more humane than the ones people use to kill rabbits for meat. Suppose you had a rabbit that was screaming with pain from an injury? Would you want to wait until you could get it to the vet? I know I sound harsh and I don't mean to be... but I feel strongly that anyone raising any animal needs to know how to dispatch the suffering promptly.
 
MaggieJ":2jmw3x7n said:
Incidentally, you need to learn how to put down a rabbit yourself. Vet visits are expensive and their methods are no more humane than the ones people use to kill rabbits for meat. Suppose you had a rabbit that was screaming with pain from an injury? Would you want to wait until you could get it to the vet? I know I sound harsh and I don't mean to be... but I feel strongly that anyone raising any animal needs to know how to dispatch the suffering promptly.
:yeahthat:
 
Bad Habit":117ri488 said:
I don't understand why I wouldn't cull them all. If he has Pastuerella, which I understand to be very contagious and always fatal, then wouldn't all his littermates have it, and wouldn't it have had to stem from either his mum(most likely since they're in the same cage) or his father?

I guess I call the vet tomorrow and see what they charge to put a rabbit down.

Bad Habit,
There are two ways that Pasteurella multocida presents itself...
1) respiratory symptoms: sneezing, white snot, runny eyes, caked paws, etc and
2)systemic: usually that means abcesses in the abdomen, liver, lungs, eyes, neck area, etc.

The respiratory version is the one that CAN be highly contagious (not all strains are as easily spread) and deadly (not all strains will kill outright, some cause chronic infections).

IF if is P. multocida, it is likely the systemic variety, which basically means the bunny has a weak immune system.

Whether it is pasteurellosis or not, I would cull this animal. And as Maggie said, part of responsible animal husbandry is to learn to humanely euthanize a suffering animal. More difficult for you...yes. But less stressful on the animal.
 
Bad Habit":1wvtupok said:
I don't understand why I wouldn't cull them all. If he has Pastuerella, which I understand to be very contagious and always fatal, then wouldn't all his littermates have it, and wouldn't it have had to stem from either his mum(most likely since they're in the same cage) or his father?

Many people believe that most rabbits and/or rabbitries have been exposed to Pasteurella, or even that they all are carriers. If any rabbits show symptoms, they should be culled, but those that are asymptomatic are not. It is those that have weakened immune systems that are susceptible to full-blown infection from it. Incidentally, there are two main types of Pasteurella- the systemic type which causes abscesses in organs or tissue, and the respiratory form which is commonly called "snuffles".

According to the site on "cloudy eye", cataracts in rabbits are "usually related to a bacterial infection (encephalitozoon cuniculi)."

E. Cuniculi is the same organism that causes wry neck. This site details treatment options for wry neck:

http://www.barbibrownsbunnies.com/ecuniculi.htm

Personally, I would put the rabbit down myself. If you take it to the vet, I can almost guarantee that you will walk out of the office with an enormous vet bill and a live rabbit, which will put your other rabbits at risk during treatment. Even if you stand strong and insist on euthanasia, you are probably looking at at least a hundred dollar vet bill. A sharp blow to the back of its head will cost you nothing and will be equally humane.

I know it is a hard thing to have to do, since I have faced the same situation, but I believe it is the best course to take. ((Hugs))
 
I had a litter of lionheads once that had 2 kits with E cuniculi. They were terrified of being touched so I felt it was better to put them down than to let them live that way.
 
I've never killed anything in my life, and I don't feel it is an experience I need. Worst case scenario, if I have a bunny screaming in pain from an injury, my mum's boyfriend is a hunter, and lives less than 5 minutes down the road. For my peace of mind(and ability to sleep), I would much rather take him into the vet and pay the 20$ to have him put to sleep. And as far as it goes, while bashing him in the head is the financially cheaper option, I don't know how it would be less traumatic to the rabbit than being put in a box and given a sedative, then injected with a drug to stop his heart. Especially considering how badly my hands are shaking at just the thought of doing it.

As far as it goes, I think the bunny was born blind. Previously, he did react to my hand reaching into the cage, but he was always in a group with his siblings, and could have taken his response from them. He never ran away from my hand coming in to grab him, and only struggled when I had him IN my hand. Those struggles were always token struggles, and he calmed right down when he had a firm surface under his feet. He never ran up to the dog, which all the other babies did. He doesn't seem upset or confused at all, like this sight problem is something new that he is trying to deal with. He doesn't respond to the "flinch test", but the other babies do.

I've moved Dobby into another room. I contacted the woman who was planning on buying two rabbits for her sons' birthday and told her I couldn't sell to her. I pulled Lily from the cage and moved all the babies but the cloudy eyed one to another cage. Just enough cage space for everyone. I guess now I just wait, and if in a month, nothing happens, sell all the rabbits.
 
Bad Habit":3k2eds4q said:
And as far as it goes, while bashing him in the head is the financially cheaper option, I don't know how it would be less traumatic to the rabbit than being put in a box and given a sedative, then injected with a drug to stop his heart. Especially considering how badly my hands are shaking at just the thought of doing it.

No on is saying it would be less traumatic... but then euthanizing a rabbit should not be traumatic either way. A rabbit does not know what is coming. It's just lights out.

You may not be able to stomach the idea of actually killing an animal. But it is good to know what you would do in an emergency. I think you could learn to handle it, but it is up to you. It is normal to feel shaky when considering the idea. That just shows you care about your animals. And we all know that already.
 
Demamma":30wa3s6a said:
Bad Habit":30wa3s6a said:
I guess now I just wait, and if in a month, nothing happens, sell all the rabbits.
If nothing happens why sell all rabbits?


I'm wondering the same thing. The suggestion was not given to cull ALL the rabbits, just that one, and some how you took it as cull them all. i would never cull them all, and the only time I did that was when I had a litter of split penises and they had to go.
 
Bad Habit,

there is no need to throw in the towel, or even to cancel your sale. If the other rabbits aren't showing any symptoms, they have good immune systems, and will most likely be perfectly fine.

These things happen in the best of breeding programs, no matter what animal you are working with. The rabbit community needs breeders with your morals and ethics, so please don't give up!

If you can't bring yourself to end its life, that is perfectly understandable. It took me a long time before I was able to do so. It is not something that any of us get any joy from, but there is satisfaction in quickly putting an end to an animal's life when it is suffering or in pain.

By all means, take the little guy in and pay to have it done for you if that is what you are most comfortable with. I didn't mean to pressure you. Here it is one hundred dollars or more to have a vet euthanize an animal so it is very costly and I hoped to save you that.
 

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