BEW but what breed??

[icebunny]

So it is confusing I have a bew doe that is 8-9 pounds she was found abandoned a few years ago. I'm not sure what breed she is... she likes to look around and explore allot, hops up on things to get a higher point of view, she rather be off doing her own thing she is dominant over my dogs even... she is a tough bunny when she feels threatened and is not really scared of to many things. She is very loving when she wants to be likes to get attention on her terms she doesn't bite and gives kisses.

Well her ears are not small but they are skinny she is not a rex or small breed she is medium sized.

I'm also wondering if I find out what breed she is if I could show her or get a breed registration?

I'm going to be breeding her as well to see what she produces maybe it would help figure it out!? She is not fixed.

The male is a American ruby eyed white his eyes have a blue underlay so in shade they look blue in sun they look pink.

So any ideas of what breed she is?

 

[Honorine]

She's a mix, no breed, and without a pedigree showing she's a particular breed no way to register her. If she's an older doe and has been just a pet for years its unlikely you'll be able to get her bred, in rabbits you don't use it you lose it. On top of that you don't cross BEW with REW, their both forms of albinoism, and are recessives, one would have to carry the other to produce it. She sounds like a nice pet, maybe you don't want to risk her by breeding her, it can tough on older does, particularly if she's never been bred before. Nice looking girl!

 

[TMTex]

She's gorgeous!

I don't know what breed she is, but if I had her, I'd try to breed her to an NZW buck and then either line breed her to one of her sons or inbreed two of her kits. Your American REW would do nicely as well IMO. It's worth a shot.

I'd love to eventually have a line of meat quality BEWs. One day...

Congrats of the find!

 

[Kyle@theWintertime]

I'm also wondering if I find out what breed she is if I could show her or get a breed registration?

If she conforms to a breed's Standard of Perfection, she could be shown in that breed. I don't know offhand of any breed she's a "match" for though...she is likely just a cute BEW mutt.

Without a three-generation pedigree, she cannot be registered. Part of the reason I try to maintain registered stock is because it shows they have been bred pure for many generations...and since she has no history that can be documented she would not be accepted.

 

[AmysMacdog]

She's beautiful! I agree with TMTex! I would love to have a line of those gorgeous blue eyed buns. She's very striking! Good luck! :clover:

 

[PSFAngoras]

I like the definition of her head, gorgeous little girl! But unfortunately, no clue as to what she is either. If she's that hardy to make it on her own, I would be interested in trying to breed out some stock that are fairly self reliant from her.

 

[icebunny]

I'm going to take her to the vet and see if they can identify her through testing. She was found when she was around 4-5 months old. She is now just about 2 years. She has had a false pregnancy before and took right away to the young male I have and has been mothering him and having a false pregnancy again. The male will be looked at to determine breed but we will use him as her first breeding to see how she does...than if all goes well we will find a closer match to her. She also does the pose for showing so we think someone got her for that purpose since she would do the pose often the first year of having her...

What do you think of a 2 year old doe being bred for first time? I'v had people say they have had no problems with a 2 year but wouldn't breed a doe 3 or over for her first time. She is very mothering and has a strong instinct for it so I feel she would be great for that purpose.

the male is not sexually mature and has not even tried to hump her yet. He is a large breed and is only 4 months

 

[SatinsRule]

I'm guessing if she's a purebred, she's a Charlie out of a NZW broken and white breeding. Somehow, she ended up without color markings on her pelt and just the blue eye color.

 

[icebunny]

***Update***

I'v uploaded 3 new pics of her doing the pose... well I know it's not perfect but it should help give an idea of what she is!

take a look and let me know what you think!

excuse her dirty coat as well

 

[skysthelimit]

I don't think there is a genetic test for rabbit breeds. Hmm.

There are 47 recognized breeds, there's a picture chart on the ARBA webpage. I can only think of a handful that have BEWs, and none I can immediately think of that are that size and that conformation. She doesn't match any of them specifically, and that's ok. She's a cute pet, but if you want to show, get a recognized show breed with a pedigree from show stock.

As far as breeding, I've tried, and will never again try to get anything out of a doe past a year old. I did one time, and that kit died suddenly at 12 weeks. It's possible, but not an easy thing. Of course you are free to try.

 

[akane]

I've bred lots of older does after show careers just fine. I had a 2year old mini rex give me 4 litters, a 1 1/2 year old creme d'argent that has been my best producer for the past 3 years and is just now lessening her litter size. She's probably given me 100s of meat rabbits. An older champagne doe that gave me 4 litters of about 5 kits before I sold her. Meanwhile her 6 month half sister was put down after a fully prolasped uterus on her first litter. I even bred a 5 year old for one litter once. Now ask me about problems with young does having their first litter and I could write you several pages. I learned not to have any expectations.

 

[Kyle@theWintertime]

Icebunny? Not to be harsh but I really don't think she is a purebred. I wouldn't spend the money on a test to determine it. Besides...an independent study examined the genetic tests for dogs, and found them to be WILDLY inaccurate (including identifying a purebred Dachshund as a Siberian Husky!!!) and I doubt there even IS a genetic test for rabbit breeds.

Also, a lot of breeds have been infused by other breeds. Meaning that even pure breeds might not be traceable.

 

[Peach]

She's not pure by any means but she looks to be making you a nice pet. She's seems to have a purple hue to her eye, so my guess is she carries shaded or chocolate

 

[icebunny]

Thank You All!!
I do not believe she is pure bred as is anyway! I was just looking to have a herd of bew's and wanted to get something that is close to her genetically. Yes, I have researched the whole Vienna genetics such and such...
I'm going to a rabbit specialist on wed to do a health check up and to see if they do have a test or if the vet can guess on what she may be mixed with. She eats All Organic foods other than the pellets she gets.
I will get into showing later.
I will post another update after I see the vet!
Thanks<br /><br />__________ Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:35 pm __________<br /><br />***Update***

Took BunBun to the vet today to do a check up, she is 4.5 pounds and perfectly healthy. I thought she was 8 pounds...

Frank, BunBun's buddy was thought to be a boy! Well he is actually a SHE! At 2.4 pounds at 5-6 months, also perfectly healthy!

Well I like the name Flow inseated of Frank for a girl!

Doc did not know what breeds they were, they are guessed mixes and this I already figured. Well, Flow is thought to be a lop mix since one ear likes to go down when she is not on alert! Along with the fur being more of that to a lop. She also has some small allergies that became very apparent when inside with fans blowing at the Vet's office. Flows allergies seem to go away when outside. Also doc cosidered her eyes to be blue as well!

 

[squidpop]

If you breed a bew to a rew the rew will be dominant- so you will get ruby eyes. If you breed her to another rabbit that doesn't carry the vienna gene you also won't get any blue eyed whites, but you might get a nice vienna marked baby with blue eyes. Where I live I see a lot of flemish giants crossed with netherland dwarfs- that's what she looks like to me, a small flemish.

 

[Dood]

If you want to show BEW here is a partial list of the breeds that accept the colour.

- Netherland Dwarf
- Holland Lop
- Lion head
- Mini lop
- angoras
- beveran
- mini rex

 

[Honorine]

If she's 4.5 lbs she's probably a Mini Rex cross of some sort. I would not breed her to a larger breed like a New Zealand. Both REW and BEW are recessives, both rabbits have to express or carry it to produce it. REW has the ability to 'cover' BEW, thats why you do not breed REW into BEWs. BEW cannot cover REW. You need a smaller buck if you want to breed her. Problems that can occur when you breed an older doe for the first time- 'pencil kits' kits that have been forced thru a small hardened pelvic opening, they look extruded and their dead. Kits with badly bruised heads, sometimes the kit is fine and recovers, sometimes not. Stuck kits, due to lower fertility in older does often you get less kits. Less kits means bigger kits, that get stuck. Fetal Giants- seems to happen more in older does, huge kits that are born dead, their bellies feel like jelly. More kits are always better, make certain if your going to breed her you get at least three good breedings. Rabbits are induced ovulaters, first breeding causes them to ovulate, so always breed more than once.

 

[icebunny]

Bred my Doe to my New Zealand buck got 5 big kits none dead 2 black with Vienna marks 3 white!