Anyone else had this with a rabbit?? Advice pls.

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(getting views but not replies... anyone have any suggestion? Should I give any type of antibiotic or just wait it out a couple days and see if improves?)
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Trying to figure out what in the world is going on here!
This is a 5 week old buckling kit.
We got home last night from being gone a week. (A friend, who has raised rabbits, came and fed, watered, did cleaning each day we were gone) Before the trip I'd looked all the kits bottoms over as they were tending to get poop clumped up stuck in their fur - no diarrhea just regular waste sticking in fur. I cleaned them all well down there and trimmed back fur carefully in that area to help make sure they wouldn't have much collect while we were gone. This one and all the others in the litter grew great while we were gone. Today I went to check how clean they were down there and to check genders. I was alarmed when I turned this one over!!
This one did have quite a bit of poop that had stuck in the area while we were gone. I cleaned it well with warm water, then took this photo. So crazy swollen. Could this be simply from a lot of irritation from the waste that was stuck in the area while we were gone or would that not cause this much swelling? Wondering if maybe its Mom tried to help clean it and wounded it in the process? - no idea.
I'm hoping after getting the area cleaned the swelling will start to diminish. I'm going to keep a close eye on it.
Any advice/thoughts welcomed.

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Ok, I'll start...I had a 6 to 7 week old that had a mess stuck to his behind...I did the warm butt bath and booty blow dry. He had a slight irritation but only a little redness..I put a little Vaseline on it. I figured if he licked it off it wouldn't hurt him. If the swelling doesn't go down you may need a topical antibiotic..not sure which one though..
 
I would wait and watch for a few days...but that's just be me being a cheapskate. Maybe it's syphilis? Might be a good idea to check over your adults.
I had a few kits with swollen peepees (although, more swollen and blood-red) and I'd just clean them up and spray Vetericyn on them. The swelling would eventually go down. :shrug:
 
Thank you so much! I appreciate the replies from each of you! I was wondering about putting a triple antibiotic on the area so good to hear that advice suggested. We are frugal folk too so I'm glad no one thinks it's an emergency and that it should be alright to apply an antibiotic and wait and see a few days.
 
I don't think you are dealing with syphilis..it just looks really irritated. :x I think if you keep him clean he should heal up fine..not sure about the triple antibiotic cream though..is it safe to ingest? Maybe the vetricyn or new stock would be better..
 
Thanks Katie. I had never seen anything like it so I was quite taken aback and didn't know if this was something that could improve. I did attempt to put some antibiotic on it but obviously that area is incredibly sensitive and the kit was not cooperating. I did get a little on, I think! It looked even redder then. I'll check again in the morning.

Thanks again.
 
I've had a kit like tha in the past, similar situation, go away and a kit gets messed up a bit.. just a result of stuck poop and getting a touch of infection in it.

Put a drop of penicillin on it. Hold kit steady so it sinks in, and keep it clean. They heal up really well.
 
I don't know if this is a good idea or not, but washing the area with a warm salt water solution every day for a few days might be good. I don't think it would be harmful to the kit in any way. I hope it clears up nicely!
 
I should have mentioned.... generally this type of injury heals well. Do be mindful of watching that it doesn't heal wrong... cause then you'll have problems down the road if keeping for breeding. Personally I'd make it into dinner (or soup) depending on the breed when a bit older. I don't want to have those genetics bred (and you can't guarantee that in a pet home).
 
Thanks for the additional replies! Greatly appreciated.

Ladysown (or anyone else who knows), when you say a drop of penicillin do you mean externally? Overlook my ignorance, I've not used penicillin with an animal. It sounds like you mean externally, not via a shot. I see different things online that say injectable penicillin. Does it need to be an injection or are you just saying literally put a drop on the area? What brand?
Any powder or liquid I can purchase to put on externally, or any type of powder that can go in food for this purpose sold at Tractor Supply I welcome suggestions on brand name.

Also, curious why would there be concern genetically for breeding if this was the result of stuck waste that just got left too long and caused irritation/infection? Seems it would be due to circumstance that should have been avoided not a genetic - passed on situation.

Thanks all for your help! <br /><br /> -- Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:19 am -- <br /><br /> I saw a couple people recommended Nu-stock. I don't see that sold close by but I do see something called Dr. Naylor Blu-Kote (Pump Spray) at Tractor Supply.
http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/dr-naylorreg;-blu-kote-pump-sprayreg;-4-fl-oz

Is this similar?

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I have applied small amounts of triple antibiotic ointment (and have read of others doing so) with no issues. I'm sure it's not ideal for it to be ingested, but it hasn't seemed to be a problem.

I do believe Ladysown means injectable penicillin, dripped on externally. The long name for the type that is safe for rabbits is Penicillin G Procaine (whatever brand it went by), and is generally called Pen G on the forum. It comes in a bottle with a self-healing cap that you access with a syringe and needle. You keep it in the refrigerator, and shake very well before use. The bottle says to let it sit out to come to room temp, and then shake and use, but one of the vet assistants on here said that is only to make sure you get it shaken well enough. She said it is fine to use it refrigerated... just make sure you shake it extra well.

You might just get some Nu-Stock and apply that, if you don't want to use antibiotic ointment. Animals don't tend to lick it much. It is basically a natural antibiotic/antifungal, being mostly sulphur. It needs to be shaken, too. Shake it outside. The oils it contains are good at getting around the ridges inside the cap. I put mine into a glass jar, and stir it when I need to use it. Nu-Stock is a good thing to have in your bunny first aid kit.
 
Miss M":2nl6n9or said:
I do believe Ladysown means injectable penicillin, dripped on externally. The long name for the type that is safe for rabbits is Penicillin G Procaine (whatever brand it went by), and is generally called Pen G on the forum.
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So this looks equivalent: Durvet® Pen Aqueous - at Tractor Supply label says Penicillin G Procaine
Miss M":2nl6n9or said:
You might just get some Nu-Stock and apply that, if you don't want to use antibiotic ointment. Animals don't tend to lick it much. It is basically a natural antibiotic/antifungal, being mostly sulphur. It needs to be shaken, too. Shake it outside. The oils it contains are good at getting around the ridges inside the cap. I put mine into a glass jar, and stir it when I need to use it. Nu-Stock is a good thing to have in your bunny first aid kit.
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I'm not seeing this online where I can get locally.
Are you familiar with the Dr. Naylor Blu Kote spray? Would that be a good option if I don't go with penicillin?

Thanks again!
 
Yes I mean externally.

I used to do it with kittens on the farm that got messy eyes and they cleared up immediately.

I've done it with bad nestbox eye as well.

But one drop doesn't hurt anything and seems to help the healing process.

It's also what I have on hand easily.
 
Blu Kote is both anti bacterial and anti fungal, so would be a fine choice, with the added benefit that you don't actually need to touch the area since it is so irritated and painful.

The Pen G you mentioned from TSC is what I have. Many people use it externally. You can put a drop in the eye to treat really bad nestbox eye. A friend of mine and I successfully treated a doe that had a mastitis related abscess that had burst. It was a HUGE open wound, and we thought she was a goner for sure... but it healed without leaving a scar and the fur grew back normally. :shock:

Nu-Stock is usually available at Feed Stores. I am not sure if TSC carries it. It is a good product to have on hand, but in this case I would lean toward using the Blu Kote. <br /><br /> -- Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:51 am -- <br /><br />
WhWRabbitry":fcde99rt said:
Also, curious why would there be concern genetically for breeding if this was the result of stuck waste that just got left too long and caused irritation/infection? Seems it would be due to circumstance that should have been avoided not a genetic - passed on situation.
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Ladysown is very careful to not breed animals that she suspects may have a genetic weakness, predisposition to health issues, or unclean habits.

Normal poop does not stick to the fur of rabbits, so it indicates some type of problem. It could be as simple as poor hygiene on the rabbits part- not eating his cecotropes- or it could be a digestive issue.
 
Thanks again to both of you, Ladysown & Mamasheepdog! You have been so helpful.
I put antibiotic on again today. The area looked a little less swollen than yesterday.
I'm heading to Tractor Supply tomorrow and unless there is drastic improvement I will pick up the Blu-Kote then. If for any reason not in stock then I'll get the Pen G.

:thankyou:
 
I would get the Blu Kote no matter what. It and Nu-Stock are what I use most to treat problems with the rabbits and all of the other critters here.

Warning: it will stain everything purple. They have a better spray nozzle now, but the aerosol type that is on my can makes a mess of everything- practically need to wear a Hazmat suit when applying it.
 
I thought about mentioning the Blu-Kote, but thought something that stayed moist might be better for this. But it might not. :p I have both (actually all three) on hand. Actually, I have Wound-Kote Blue Lotion spray, because that's what the TSC I went to had. It's very, very similar to Blu-Kote, so if they don't have Blu-Kote but do have Wound-Kote Blue Lotion, snag it. :)

(It comes in red, too, but I wouldn't. I mean... yikes. :shock: I'm not sure it has the same active ingredient, anyway, because if I'm not mistaken, the active ingredient in Blu-Kote and the other is methylene blue... which is purple... not sure how you would go about making it look red...)
 
Miss M":11iwrami said:
(It comes in red, too, but I wouldn't. I mean... yikes. :shock: I'm not sure it has the same active ingredient, anyway, because if I'm not mistaken, the active ingredient in Blu-Kote and the other is methylene blue... which is purple... not sure how you would go about making it look red...)
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Different active ingredient in the red stuff- I forget what though.
 

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