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I'm going to disagree with the inbreeding bit. Kind of.

I think alot of people aren't culling hard enough and using anything that can produce to bump their numbers up. Production, production, production. But that means you let them reproduce more and more. Making more and more that have foot problems, beak problems, less thrifty,...
That combines with some people who breed closely. Without removing the problem havers you make a population of problem havers. Selective breeding only works when you * are selective * about who gets to stay and breed.

I follow Theiving Otter farm. They share alot of good info and pics of good vs bad confirmation, beak shape, head shape, etc.
I agree. I line-breed (inbreed) everything I breed. But I don't breed anything with a problem. Our quail are only on their fourth generation, but by selecting only big, healthy (and gentle!) roos, we have healthy birds that reach well over 1 lb by 10 weeks, and the eggs are so big that they don't fit in the egg cartons made for quail eggs. Outside of incubator malfunctions, my hatch rates never drop below about 85%, and most hatches are 100%. As the breeder we got the initial stock from counseled, we keep the top 5% of males (by weight) and the top 50% of females. (Not keeping/breeding any with foot, beak or hatch problems goes without saying.) And selection for temperament is important unless you want to lose birds and your own skin - breeding big coturnix seems to increase the level of aggressiveness in both sexes.

My Satin rabbits are pushing 10-11 generations of linebreeding. Any rabbit with a problem does not reproduce, and the ones that do, produce beautiful, healthy rabbits. Many years ago I brought in a big, beautiful, unrelated white Satin buck, and immediately began having problems with split penis in my bucks, and slow-developing reproductive organs in both males and females. I tried for a while, but within three generations I had none of his offspring left.

Sometimes one of my breeder friends brings up new stock, and uses them to cross into their existing lines (which are related to my lines, since several of us co-breed). Usually these rabbits are from lines that already appear on our pedigrees. Once in a while I'll bring in one of those offspring (from the distant relative x existing stock) into my herd. That's the nearest I do to outcrossing.

Bringing in a couple of new males might solve some problems initially, but if you don't get rid of the underlying genetic issue, it'll come back. By the same token, bringing in new stock might have the opposite effect, of bringing in new problems. This is especially true when you bring in new males, which have a disproportionate effect on the flock/herd since they breed so many females. Shifting back to rabbits, my daughter used an outcross buck with her Polish and ended up fighting malocclusion - which her rabbits had not suffered from before - for a long time in his descendants.

Of course if all of your beginning stock is faulty, you'll have to bring in something else. My Champagnes are in year #2 (these are not inbred rabbits), and I am still working on eliminating an assortment of issues, including malocculsion, sore hocks, and nasty temperament. I am actually using my "inbred" Satins to do that!

But mostly I think that regular outcrossing is what you do if you don't want to (or don't know how to) keep up regular selection pressure in your herd/flock.
 
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I'm going to disagree with the inbreeding bit. Kind of.

I think alot of people aren't culling hard enough and using anything that can produce to bump their numbers up. Production, production, production. But that means you let them reproduce more and more. Making more and more that have foot problems, beak problems, less thrifty,...
That combines with some people who breed closely. Without removing the problem havers you make a population of problem havers. Selective breeding only works when you * are selective * about who gets to stay and breed.

I follow Theiving Otter farm. They share alot of good info and pics of good vs bad confirmation, beak shape, head shape, etc.
That used to be my assumption as well. I breed for meat and eggs to eat are a happy bonus. I hatch several batches a year and only hold back the best for the next years production. Even doing so and being very selective about it I ended up with problems. Now, if you havee 500 birds that may be fine and you may be able to switch around everything to keep problems from happening. I however am a much smaller operation, usually under 60 birds that I am using to hatch. As soon as I got the new roos and did 2 hatches the problems disappeared even with using my same hens.
 
I have 40. Originally they were all for meat and eggs, now they are just for eggs since I have the rabbits for meat. I cull out any problems but don't currently have any in my flock, and also always cull smaller birds (unless I get a rare color) since I raise jumbos. I do a hatch or two every summer for replacements of older birds. I was going to cull down to 20, but with all the potential issues coming in 2025 I figure I might need the extra eggs.
 
I have 40. Originally they were all for meat and eggs, now they are just for eggs since I have the rabbits for meat. I cull out any problems but don't currently have any in my flock, and also always cull smaller birds (unless I get a rare color) since I raise jumbos. I do a hatch or two every summer for replacements of older birds. I was going to cull down to 20, but with all the potential issues coming in 2025 I figure I might need the extra eggs.
I believe that's a great idea and, the reason I was keeping mine after getting rabbits. I decided that the quail could make up a good portion of my raw dog food so I do many hatches in the warmer months. Fortunately for us that's all but 2-3 months out of the year. I would suggest that perhaps you get some new roos to switch out just in case.
 
I decided that the quail could make up a good portion of my raw dog food so I do many hatches in the warmer months. Fortunately for us that's all but 2-3 months out of the year.
That is good to read. That's my hope for us. I'm tired of raising a ton of chickens. Take a long time to get to processing time. I'd like to raise a batch or two a year and that's it. The quail are proving to be hard to beat so far for this purpose.
 

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