Help please....UPDATED--Smoke Pearl?

Tiny Buns · Sep 27, 2015

I bred my broken blue Charlie Netherland doe to my blue himi Nethland buck. Expecting all brokens......

So I clearly have 2 charlies here but the third is definitely not a broken. Hard to see but it has some yellow/gold patches/sheen to the lower back. So I'm thinking lilac and I'm blind or lilac cream tort?

thoughts?

Dood · Sep 27, 2015

Not Charlie's but false Charlie's and the mother must be a false Charlie as well

I dont see any chocolate influence or tort and think you've got a self blue but it is still a bit early

Zass · Sep 27, 2015

Could it be a shaded color? It doesn't quite look like one of my lilacs or blues. Hmmm...

The nose and ears seem a bit darker then the rest, or is that just lighting?

Tiny Buns · Sep 27, 2015

Dood":308pgqgk said:
Not Charlie's but false Charlie's and the mother must be a false Charlie as well

I dont see any chocolate influence or tort and think you've got a self blue but it is still a bit early

False Charlie? Sorry, I don't know what that is?

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Zass":308pgqgk said:
Could it be a shaded color? It doesn't quite look like one of my lilacs or blues. Hmmm...

The nose and ears seem a bit darker then the rest, or is that just lighting?

Ears, nose, legs are all definitely darker. What would that be if it's a shaded?

Sigh, I keep being reminded of the steep learning curve here whether it's behaviour or breeding or genetics or colors.... :shock:

Zass · Sep 27, 2015

The more pics, the more accurate of a color ID we will be able to manage.

Perhaps a side and/or belly shot would help?

Tiny Buns · Sep 27, 2015

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Dood · Sep 27, 2015

A Charlie has two broken genes and can only produce broken patterned offspring. Since the kits had a solid parent they cannot be Charlie's and since the doe produced a solid kit she cannot be a Charlie. Because they have more than 70% white and are not true Charlie's they are called false Charlie's

Blue sable rather than Siamese sable (AKA black sable) is a possibility

Tiny Buns · Sep 27, 2015

Dood":19kfy0b1 said:
A Charlie has two broken genes and can only produce broken patterned offspring. Since the kits had a solid parent they cannot be Charlie's and since the doe produced a solid kit she cannot be a Charlie. Because they have more than 70% white and are not true Charlie's they are called false Charlie's

How do you list them on the pedigree: broken, charlie, false charlie?

Zass · Sep 27, 2015

Blue sable called smoke pearl, right?

I couldn't even find pics for a lilac sable, but I'd think a lilac based one would be even lighter.

If it's a smoke pearl, the points will develop blue instead of black, I think, so it will eventually be easy to distinguish what it is.

I'd call a false charlie a broken on pedigree, since that is how the genetics will play out, but I also like to list genotypes on any pedigree I make.

Tiny Buns · Oct 9, 2015

So this is the same rabbit, now 17 days old. Is this a smoke pearl? Chinchilla?

I am supposed to be going to purchase a smoke pearl buck tomorrow :x and obviously don't need one if I have one in my own litter.

Hoping this is a different color than smoke pearl.

Dood · Oct 9, 2015

Smoke pearl

Tiny Buns · Oct 9, 2015

Dood":1zrn3tha said:
Smoke pearl

Dood, is this one also a smoke pearl?

Dood · Oct 9, 2015

No

That is a fox AKA totter which is a torted otter and I don't believe it is blue but black or chocolate

Tiny Buns · Oct 9, 2015

Dood":1tflbaki said:
No

That is a fox AKA totter which is a torted otter and I don't believe it is blue but black or chocolate

Thank you! So is this any kind of valuable color for breeding or more of a "sh-agouti" kind of thing?

Dood · Oct 9, 2015

Fox is not showable in any breed but otter and tort are

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