Would i get any chins?
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skysthelimit
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Opal and chin are not recommended generally, because opal is a dilute. If you are breeding for show, is dilute chin, blue chin, an acceptable color? If not, you are putting the dilute gene into you chins. But they are both agouti, and you can get chin that way.
well...i know you would get rabbits. 
Wouldn't be the best combination if you want true chins though.
You'd probably be better to look for a chestnut rabbit....
Wouldn't be the best combination if you want true chins though.
You'd probably be better to look for a chestnut rabbit....
Only if the opal carries a hidden chin, shaded, himi, or REW gene on the C-locus.
You won't get blue/dilute unless the self chin carries a hidden dilute on the D-locus.
Chestnuts - that carry hidden self, chinchilla, dilute.
Do you have any info on the parents, littermates, or offspring of these rabbits? It would help to determine their hidden recessives.
skysthelimit
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Dood":1oyf4sf6 said:
You are still putting that dilute into the gene pool with chin, and that's a no go for most breeds.
how do you know it is a self chin and not a self shaded?
Also silver marten and sable marten are very similar, has the silver ever had chinchilla kits before?
With these genetics I think you are more likely to get shaded agouti if the opal carries a hidden chin, shaded, himi, or REW gene on the C-locus or possibly siamese sables
OK, now I'm really confused. I don't think that silver marten and sable marten look that much alike. A black silver marten is just black and silver while a sable marten is brown, tan and white. Right? I don't know if there have been chinchilla kits or not, but I could ask the breeder. She's very nice and helpful, but seemed a little unsure about how the genetics would work with this rabbit. Here is a link to the rabbitry's for sale page. See what you think of the pics, please. http://moonridgerabbitry.weebly.com/for ... anted.html
I'm also getting the sable point "Snuggle" and the blue point "Jodi". My friend is getting "Blue Child" and the self chin. We work together with our breedings and I have the broken opal that we were thinking of breeding to her. As far as Netherland bucks go, I also have a broken smoke, a blue himi, and my friend has a very nicely typed BEW buck as well. What would be the best buck for her out of what we have, and what we are getting? Thanks so much for all of your help!
I'm also getting the sable point "Snuggle" and the blue point "Jodi". My friend is getting "Blue Child" and the self chin. We work together with our breedings and I have the broken opal that we were thinking of breeding to her. As far as Netherland bucks go, I also have a broken smoke, a blue himi, and my friend has a very nicely typed BEW buck as well. What would be the best buck for her out of what we have, and what we are getting? Thanks so much for all of your help!
The smoke pearl carries the shaded gene while the silver marten carries the chin, your black could have gotten either.
Not all sable martens have a shaded coat, some can look almost black and be mistaken for silvers.
Not all sable martens have a shaded coat, some can look almost black and be mistaken for silvers.
skysthelimit
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You do not want shaded or chin genes in your agoutis, especially not dilute shades/chins. Agoutis need rufus, the chin genes distinct function is to strip away the rufus from the color shaft. You will get poorly colored opals and any agouti that requires rufus ring bands.<br /><br />__________ Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:40 pm __________<br /><br />
What color are his eyes?
MamaMandy":2abpuh7t said:
What color are his eyes?
skysthelimit
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I did, but I could not tell from the pict. Self chins have blue gray eyes, which is usually the first indicator.
The dark shaded(chin) is dominant over the light shaded so he could have both not just the chin, sorry for the confusion.
But brings up a good point that I forgot about ... are you familiar with seals, can you tell them apart from blacks?
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I just got back from the website. I don't believe "Moon Ridge's Q1" is a black at all but a seal !
But brings up a good point that I forgot about ... are you familiar with seals, can you tell them apart from blacks?
__________ Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:18 pm __________
I just got back from the website. I don't believe "Moon Ridge's Q1" is a black at all but a seal !
skysthelimit
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Do you have any way to see these buns face to face? When you blow into the coat of a seal, the undercoat is brown, not gray like a normal black would be. Even in a picture, blowing into the coat would show the same thing.
Even still, If you plan on getting any good agoutis from these breedings, you do not want to mix them with shaded genes. If you want good clean chins, it's just better to find a chin.<br /><br />__________ Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:25 pm __________<br /><br />Self chin and seal are 2 more colors where most people don't know how to identify them, or how to breed them
Even still, If you plan on getting any good agoutis from these breedings, you do not want to mix them with shaded genes. If you want good clean chins, it's just better to find a chin.<br /><br />__________ Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:25 pm __________<br /><br />Self chin and seal are 2 more colors where most people don't know how to identify them, or how to breed them
I am familiar with seals. I won't be able to see them before I purchase. But, a breeder that I trust and know has seen and handled these rabbits at a show. She says it is a self chin and that the silver marten sire did not carry shaded.
skysthelimit
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Good, then it probably is a self chin, So we've got that covered.
http://rabbitsmarties.com/2011/07/rabbi ... explained/
So back to the answer, yes you can breed it to the Opal, yes you could get chins in the second generation, if the Opal does not carry chin, or in the first if the opal carries REW, and they will carry dilute, or possibly not have the greatest color. I bred my chin doe twice to a REW that was out of a Castor and a REW, got smutty chins both times, culled both litters, was not worth the trouble.
http://rabbitsmarties.com/2011/07/rabbi ... explained/
So back to the answer, yes you can breed it to the Opal, yes you could get chins in the second generation, if the Opal does not carry chin, or in the first if the opal carries REW, and they will carry dilute, or possibly not have the greatest color. I bred my chin doe twice to a REW that was out of a Castor and a REW, got smutty chins both times, culled both litters, was not worth the trouble.
