Wondering what type of magpie this is? Possible opinion on sibling too?

[LakesideLops]

I have bred this pair successfully 4 times now but never got a kit like this. I am used to seeing reg Harlequins, Magpies but never dilute like this one...any chance it's a smoke pearl? Or Sable magpie? I do know both parents carry dilute but this doesn't seem blue to me?



Dam is Sable Point
Sire is Harlequin (Black&Ornge)

Also curious about the slightly similar sibling it's next to in the one photo if anyone has any ideas?

 

[LakesideLops]

Thought I'd add more pics that may help.

 

[Alaska Satin]

I have bred this pair successfully 4 times now but never got a kit like this. I am used to seeing reg Harlequins, Magpies but never dilute like this one...any chance it's a smoke pearl? Or Sable magpie? I do know both parents carry dilute but this doesn't seem blue to me?



Dam is Sable Point
Sire is Harlequin (Black&Ornge)

Also curious about the slightly similar sibling it's next to in the one photo if anyone has any ideas?

Regular sable kits often start out looking like pale, poorly colored blues; that's what I'd say you're seeing here - sable of one sort or another. If both parents carry dilute, it could certainly be smoke pearl, aka blue sable, aka dilute sable, but you'll probably have to wait to decide for sure.

Here's a newborn solid sable kit (bottom) with its himi sibling:

 

[LakesideLops]

Regular sable kits often start out looking like pale, poorly colored blues; that's what I'd say you're seeing here - sable of one sort or another. If both parents carry dilute, it could certainly be smoke pearl, aka blue sable, aka dilute sable, but you'll probably have to wait to decide for sure.

Here's a newborn solid sable kit (bottom) with its himi sibling:View attachment 45655

Thank you I assumed so just being impatient as I'm thrilled at the suprise. Do you think the sibling is just a sable or Sable point likely? Thank you so much for your time.

 

[Alaska Satin]

Thank you I assumed so just being impatient as I'm thrilled at the suprise. Do you think the sibling is just a sable or Sable point likely? Thank you so much for your time.

If these are the kits in question, I think both of them have too much color to be pointed. The one on the right doesn't even really look particularly shaded to me, but brokens/magpies can be tricky, and I'd like to see other views. There does seem to be a distinct color difference, though, so maybe the one on the left is a blue sable and the one on the right is a regular sable. Anyway, I think you'll probably have to wait to make the final call. Sable is a variety that goes through quite a lot of changes as it develops.