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[Peach]

When I lost Master B, the only thing I recalled was for a while he lost was just loosing condition over his pinbones. He wasn't that way originally, but I would worm him, he'd get into nicer flesh condition, but couldn't get back to his original state. Excellent appetite, active, and and bright eyed. One day he just up and kicked it out of the blue, intestines and gas in the inside, but otherwise, organs and such looked fine.

I cleaned out his cage,crocks,jfeeders...you name it. Waiting about 2 weeks before I put his son in there. He had great condition up until I took him to a show about 2 weeks ago. I noticed at that show I could feel his pinbones. I figured maybe it was stress/weather/traveling related.

I pulled him out today and his pinbones are REALLY protruding, but not his spine and his gut feels squishy. His poop looks normal. I'm stumped.

I don't want to loose this buck. He's the only buck I kept back from Master B and he's stunning. I don't know what to do for Lyric I wormed him and gave him a handful of hay. I don't feel a blockage of any kind and I know he hasn't always felt like this as I'm constantly pulling them out for posing. I've just given him some time off so he could grow into himself.

What can it be?

__________ Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:48 am __________

So, I moved this my buck to a new cage, one that offered more sunlight, wormed him for extra measure,.... and he's making huge leaps of improvement :shock: My rabbitry has lighting and his old cage did get certain times of the day of sunlight....but very weird!

 

[HowlsOfAngels]

Trash the cursed cage!?

Or something, if he's improving after just having been moved I'd examine both cages and try to determine any and all differences, if it's just sunlight then maybe your bunny thought that it was a different time of the year and his metabolism shifted, or maybe he was having a hard time synthesizing certain vitamins.

 

[Secuono]

Are you talking about a fish? What are pin bones on a rabbit??
Move the cursed cage, add new rabbit, if it still gets sick, trash the cage. If it doesn't get sick, then the spot the cage was in originally has something to do with it.

 

[Peach]

Trash the cursed cage!?

Or something, if he's improving after just having been moved I'd examine both cages and try to determine any and all differences, if it's just sunlight then maybe your bunny thought that it was a different time of the year and his metabolism shifted, or maybe he was having a hard time synthesizing certain vitamins.

I jokingly asked my friend who became a online minister to do an exorsism on the cage :lol:

I'm still going to watch him but I'm going to assume he was lacking something. I put a pet quality rabbit in there for the meantime to examine how he does. It sucks that that one cage is connect to 2 others, divided. Oh the fun it would be to remove it :?

Are you talking about a fish? What are pin bones on a rabbit??
Move the cursed cage, add new rabbit, if it still gets sick, trash the cage. If it doesn't get sick, then the spot the cage was in originally has something to do with it.

Pinbones would be your #7 on this chart

 

[Frecs]

Thanks for that graphic and for touching on something I'm noticing with a few of my rabbits -- does mostly. Prominent "pinbones". Their spine feels to have the right amount of "meatiness" but the pinbones are more "bony" than I think they should be (not that I have a lot of experience with what they should feel like).

Sooooo...what does it mean for the pinbones to be prominent? BTW, I purchased pumpkin seeds (again) to treat for potential worms. I was scheduled to breed my two does this past Saturday but put it off until I felt better about their conditioning.

 

[Peach]

Thanks for that graphic and for touching on something I'm noticing with a few of my rabbits -- does mostly. Prominent "pinbones". Their spine feels to have the right amount of "meatiness" but the pinbones are more "bony" than I think they should be (not that I have a lot of experience with what they should feel like).

Sooooo...what does it mean for the pinbones to be prominent? BTW, I purchased pumpkin seeds (again) to treat for potential worms. I was scheduled to breed my two does this past Saturday but put it off until I felt better about their conditioning.

So far, fleshing over the pin bones has been linked to genetics. Something to cull for....usually seen in rabbits with pinched hindquarters BUT I found it unusual because it was with a buck that was originally nicely fleshed over the pinbones. Now that I've seen improvement, it's either been the extra sunlight, the SafeGaurd horse paste, or hay (I usually don't feed hay)...or a combination of the three.

I did notice my doe Sugar had another bad case of pinworms today (wormed her today) and he had a case a month or two ago and I had treated it. Looks like I'm going to have to clean cages again :? I haven't had them out in their pens and I'm fighting with parasites... Rabbit raising isn't easy!

 

[Frecs]

So far, fleshing over the pin bones has been linked to genetics. Something to cull for....usually seen in rabbits with pinched hindquarters BUT I found it unusual because it was with a buck that was originally nicely fleshed over the pinbones. Now that I've seen improvement, it's either been the extra sunlight, the SafeGaurd horse paste, or hay (I usually don't feed hay)...or a combination of the three.

I did notice my doe Sugar had another bad case of pinworms today (wormed her today) and he had a case a month or two ago and I had treated it. Looks like I'm going to have to clean cages again :? I haven't had them out in their pens and I'm fighting with parasites...

I don't think my does have pinched hips. I had the terrible thought that I'd been underfeeding them but when I increased their feed, they left the extra in their bowl. That was a relief! But, it might be parasites so I'll continue with the pumpkin seed deworming plan and see how they do.

Rabbit raising isn't easy!

Ain't that the truth! I knew there would be a learning curve but the curves just keep on coming!

 

[Peach]

So far, fleshing over the pin bones has been linked to genetics. Something to cull for....usually seen in rabbits with pinched hindquarters BUT I found it unusual because it was with a buck that was originally nicely fleshed over the pinbones. Now that I've seen improvement, it's either been the extra sunlight, the SafeGaurd horse paste, or hay (I usually don't feed hay)...or a combination of the three.

I did notice my doe Sugar had another bad case of pinworms today (wormed her today) and he had a case a month or two ago and I had treated it. Looks like I'm going to have to clean cages again :? I haven't had them out in their pens and I'm fighting with parasites...

I don't think my does have pinched hips. I had the terrible thought that I'd been underfeeding them but when I increased their feed, they left the extra in their bowl. That was a relief! But, it might be parasites so I'll continue with the pumpkin seed deworming plan and see how they do.

Rabbit raising isn't easy!

Ain't that the truth! I knew there would be a learning curve but the curves just keep on coming!

That's what I thought too. I usually only feed about 3/4-1cup a day to my Mini Lops. They empty their jfeeders....but if I feed more than that, they don't want to eat their food right away the next day and since it's usually humid, their feed swells and begins to mold when left out too long. Now it's getting colder, so not having that problem now as we move deeper into September. So I'm figuring out everyones needs. I have some that will get fat off air and the I have others that maintain themselves well. I think they are also reaching that senior age and they are now developing more muscle. I'm testing my feeding plan even with juniors, that they are fed just like the seniors. I've noticed less fat and more muscle development in some that I've processed since I don't give them unlimited and usually they develop just fine and at a good rate.

I'm starting to give them Show Bloom again now that we are going to kick off show season and Convention, so hopefully that will also start helping them fatten up here in the next few weeks. Very happy with this conditioner. I gave it to them last show season and they looked beautiful. Always got compliments on condition, especially since anything shaded usually looks like crap here in the south. Mines have been able to maintain themselves so nicely! No splotchy color. Very clean.

 

[Frecs]

That's what I thought too. I usually only feed about 3/4-1cup a day to my Mini Lops. They empty their jfeeders....but if I feed more than that, they don't want to eat their food right away the next day and since it's usually humid, their feed swells and begins to mold when left out too long. Now it's getting colder, so not having that problem now as we move deeper into September. So I'm figuring out everyones needs. I have some that will get fat off air and the I have others that maintain themselves well. I think they are also reaching that senior age and they are now developing more muscle. I'm testing my feeding plan even with juniors, that they are fed just like the seniors. I've noticed less fat and more muscle development in some that I've processed since I don't give them unlimited and usually they develop just fine and at a good rate.

I'm starting to give them Show Bloom again now that we are going to kick off show season and Convention, so hopefully that will also start helping them fatten up here in the next few weeks. Very happy with this conditioner. I gave it to them last show season and they looked beautiful. Always got compliments on condition, especially since anything shaded usually looks like crap here in the south. Mines have been able to maintain themselves so nicely! No splotchy color. Very clean.

I had cut out the BOSS because everyone said they didn't need it in the summer (too "hot"). As of yesterday, they are getting it again and were VERY happy rabbits last night at dinner time! Hopefully, the pumpkin seeds will deal with any potential worm issues and the BOSS will help with conditioning and I can start the Fall breeding season soon.