Smoke Pearl kit question...
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Cedar Point Rabbitry
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Awww! 
So cute :in_love:
So cute :in_love:
I don't think he is blue/dilute but black based and a sable or dark sable point
I dunno. :? The buck carries dilute and Py was rebred to her sire, so I wouldn't be surprised if she carries dilute too.
The way I recognized smoke pearl was they start off pink and then look like a tiny champagne d'argent. The mum had a rusty look, but this one has a silvery look. ee should have caused a flank stripe and white back, I thought.
http://www.himadrihollands.com/smoke-pearl.html "Newborn smoke pearls may be born pink." It was definitely born pink. I thought it was REW at first. :lol:
This babe on left, kit-pics of the mother on right. Top pics are within a few hours old.
__________ Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:35 am __________
Some more pics of him tonight. It almost looks like he's glowing through his fur.
The way I recognized smoke pearl was they start off pink and then look like a tiny champagne d'argent. The mum had a rusty look, but this one has a silvery look. ee should have caused a flank stripe and white back, I thought.
http://www.himadrihollands.com/smoke-pearl.html "Newborn smoke pearls may be born pink." It was definitely born pink. I thought it was REW at first. :lol:
This babe on left, kit-pics of the mother on right. Top pics are within a few hours old.
__________ Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:35 am __________
Some more pics of him tonight. It almost looks like he's glowing through his fur.
LittleFluffyBunnies
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I don't know much about colors, but my 6 smoke pearl kits I have at the moment look like he did as a tiny baby. He just looks very dark now. But, like I said, I needed help for all of my rabbits except a REW, so I have no idea.
He is sooooo cute!!!
He is sooooo cute!!!
karenl
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Cute bunny
skysthelimit
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Doesn't look like a smoke to me either, that light color looks like what happens when a Siamese Sable begins the change from shimmery gray to sephia. I have to see if I can find pictures of my smoke, she was in the litter with a siamese sable buck.
Little guy's still got the silvery look as opposed to the rusty look his sable mother had.
Ever look at a pelt through sunlight? The way the tips look dark and the base looks light... I swear sometimes he looks like someone stuck a lightbulb in him... :lol:
Ever look at a pelt through sunlight? The way the tips look dark and the base looks light... I swear sometimes he looks like someone stuck a lightbulb in him... :lol:
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most definitely not a smoked pearl. I get Blue sables really often in my litters and they always look solid blue and as they grow they get silvering and then the sable shows up later in life. I think what you have been getting is blue sallander but I have no clue what that cutie is though...
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As a young kit:
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Keep in mind that rabbits come in different shades under the same name and basic genotype. :? You can have a light blue and a dark blue - and I think this kit happens to be a dark blue.
The site I talk to them on is down right now, but a Lilac breeder and someone else who breeds something in dilute have told me before as well that the darkest dilutes come from using nondilute parents, whereas breeding dilute to dilute has a knack for making the dilutes lighter. I took it with a grain of salt, but now I'm thinking they may not have pulled that out of nowhere. :shock:
This kit lacks the sable point pattern, yet has silver ticking and started off solid pink like pearls supposedly do. Those to me are indicators it is not ee. If it were, it ought to have been whiter over the back and held a pattern something like this: http://www.gbfarm.org/rabbit/images/tallie_kit_6068.jpg
Obviously I can't compare them exactly side by side, but the shade and tone compared to his mother is pretty much exactly like this: http://www.gbfarm.org/rabbit/images/arr ... litter.jpg (sable, seal, smoke pearl)
(Images from: http://www.gbfarm.org/rabbit/holland-co ... aded.shtml )
This is the mother lately;
__________ Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:21 pm __________
topic9136.html The smoke in this thread looks exactly how mine did, until this snowball-like effect started throwing him out of whack. :?
^ That one has a smidge deeper silver and blue though, it looks like. (As in, it runs deeper down the hair shaft.)
The site I talk to them on is down right now, but a Lilac breeder and someone else who breeds something in dilute have told me before as well that the darkest dilutes come from using nondilute parents, whereas breeding dilute to dilute has a knack for making the dilutes lighter. I took it with a grain of salt, but now I'm thinking they may not have pulled that out of nowhere. :shock:
This kit lacks the sable point pattern, yet has silver ticking and started off solid pink like pearls supposedly do. Those to me are indicators it is not ee. If it were, it ought to have been whiter over the back and held a pattern something like this: http://www.gbfarm.org/rabbit/images/tallie_kit_6068.jpg
Obviously I can't compare them exactly side by side, but the shade and tone compared to his mother is pretty much exactly like this: http://www.gbfarm.org/rabbit/images/arr ... litter.jpg (sable, seal, smoke pearl)
(Images from: http://www.gbfarm.org/rabbit/holland-co ... aded.shtml )
This is the mother lately;
__________ Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:21 pm __________
topic9136.html The smoke in this thread looks exactly how mine did, until this snowball-like effect started throwing him out of whack. :?
^ That one has a smidge deeper silver and blue though, it looks like. (As in, it runs deeper down the hair shaft.)
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none of my smoked pearls have a white under coat though. and if that is the mother I think your baby will be a black sable or a black Siamese point. with any sable they are always hard to figure out until later in life when they get their adult coats.
That's why I'm asking, if this is normal for smoke pearl or if this is snowball'd too. :? Until it got that, it looked like every other smoke pearl kit pic I've seen. Something started seeming off once it started growing in white, but I couldn't find enough pics of kits still in their nestling fuzz to really be sure.Celice":1r31k5c7 said:
And, Celice, from what I've read, the amount of kit grizzling can vary. (link again: http://www.himadrihollands.com/smoke-pearl.html "Smoke Pearls at this age can sometimes be a more uniformly blue color all over" ) I think it's a lot like how you can have two vastly different shades of chestnut with the magic of rufus, I think there may be modifiers that may determine how grizzled or solid they are. :?
Below is a pic of the newest litter out of my sable carrier and my REW carrier...same buns that produced mama Pyrite. It's the closest I can get to show the contrast the fuzzy had with his mother, how obviously different the silver/rust color has been...why I don't think he's black-based sable. The newest "smoke" is exactly like the fluffy snowball-suspect so far except the undercolor is more like a dark lilac than a dark blue. They've been a lot different than Py and the sable kit and neither have displayed a definite ee pattern either (ee pattern as seen on this kit: http://www.gbfarm.org/rabbit/images/tallie_kit_6068.jpg ) I thought I saw it for a while just as the fur was coming in, but I think it was just shading.
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hmmmm, the more I look at this kit the more kit kinda looks like an agouti sable but even that kit didn't have a white under coat but that could have been because he was a steel.
same bunny at different stages of life:
same bunny at different stages of life:
