guardianoasis
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So if anyone has read my omg genetics post, in my comments you've read that I have possible self chin Satin rabbits. Here's a little backstory on these rabbits.
I'd purchased a bunch of Satins. In this grouping of Satins was a black Satin doe, her two black daughters and the white buck who was the sire of one of the daughters. We later bred this dam to another buck who is a blue and ended up with a blue daughter. Because I had three daughters, I sold the doe to someone who had owned her prior to me buying her. Now I have three of her daughters, all from different bucks. I bred the one doe back to her sire and ended up with a litter of "shaded" kits and rew (there may have been some selfs but I don't remember and non survived). Here is what I do know about this cluster of rabbits....
1) None of the rabbits show any signs whatsoever of any sort of Chin in their backgrounds.
2) There's absolutely no way that this black doe can be a self, chin, and rew carrier.
3) It can't come from her sire because her sire was very much a red eyed white.
4) All three of the daughters from the main doe have white hairs either on their pads or underside of their tail. These white hairs aren't scattered. On the blue doe, they show up under her tail in very distinct bars, like on the back of a harliquin. On the black daughters they show up as eraser sized (or maybe a little smaller) dots between their a couple of their toes.
5) I haven't made note of their eye shade.
The doe in question (dam to the three daughters) known genetics are aa Bb Cc Dd E_ or so we think. She's never thrown a chinchilla kit to my knowledge.
Doe assumed genetics, based off the resulting kits from breeding back to her sire (sire = aa BB cc Dd Ee) = aa B_ cchdc Dd Ee
Half sister black doe, sired by broken black buck assumed genetics based on breedings I've had so far = aa Bb Cc Dd E_
Half sister white doe, sired by REW buck. Assumed genetics based of known breeding information since I haven't bred her yet = until yesterday = aa B_ Cc dd E_
The kits in question are Sallanders. Hours of digging and prying and weeding through the pedigree, pictures online and possible match ups have ruled out basically everything BUT sallander (which in Satins is Siamese). Where am I going with this?
What are some tips/tricks to noticing a self chin in a litter?
I'm not 100% sure that the white hairs on the rabbits are a good way to recognize it. I've heard grey eyes, but I've also heard grey eyes on a black signify that they could carry blue.
What is a good match up for testing for a self chin?
I assume it would be an agouti based REW. I wish I had one lol. I currently have the doe suspected of self chin bred to an american chinchilla. Since I know he doesn't carry REW and has always thrown agouti, assumed this would be the safest second choice. According to my handy dandy punnett square, if she is self chin I should end up with all Chinchillas because she carries REW. If she's not self chin, the kits should be chestnut and chinchilla.
I'd purchased a bunch of Satins. In this grouping of Satins was a black Satin doe, her two black daughters and the white buck who was the sire of one of the daughters. We later bred this dam to another buck who is a blue and ended up with a blue daughter. Because I had three daughters, I sold the doe to someone who had owned her prior to me buying her. Now I have three of her daughters, all from different bucks. I bred the one doe back to her sire and ended up with a litter of "shaded" kits and rew (there may have been some selfs but I don't remember and non survived). Here is what I do know about this cluster of rabbits....
1) None of the rabbits show any signs whatsoever of any sort of Chin in their backgrounds.
2) There's absolutely no way that this black doe can be a self, chin, and rew carrier.
3) It can't come from her sire because her sire was very much a red eyed white.
4) All three of the daughters from the main doe have white hairs either on their pads or underside of their tail. These white hairs aren't scattered. On the blue doe, they show up under her tail in very distinct bars, like on the back of a harliquin. On the black daughters they show up as eraser sized (or maybe a little smaller) dots between their a couple of their toes.
5) I haven't made note of their eye shade.
The doe in question (dam to the three daughters) known genetics are aa Bb Cc Dd E_ or so we think. She's never thrown a chinchilla kit to my knowledge.
Doe assumed genetics, based off the resulting kits from breeding back to her sire (sire = aa BB cc Dd Ee) = aa B_ cchdc Dd Ee
Half sister black doe, sired by broken black buck assumed genetics based on breedings I've had so far = aa Bb Cc Dd E_
Half sister white doe, sired by REW buck. Assumed genetics based of known breeding information since I haven't bred her yet = until yesterday = aa B_ Cc dd E_
The kits in question are Sallanders. Hours of digging and prying and weeding through the pedigree, pictures online and possible match ups have ruled out basically everything BUT sallander (which in Satins is Siamese). Where am I going with this?
What are some tips/tricks to noticing a self chin in a litter?
I'm not 100% sure that the white hairs on the rabbits are a good way to recognize it. I've heard grey eyes, but I've also heard grey eyes on a black signify that they could carry blue.
What is a good match up for testing for a self chin?
I assume it would be an agouti based REW. I wish I had one lol. I currently have the doe suspected of self chin bred to an american chinchilla. Since I know he doesn't carry REW and has always thrown agouti, assumed this would be the safest second choice. According to my handy dandy punnett square, if she is self chin I should end up with all Chinchillas because she carries REW. If she's not self chin, the kits should be chestnut and chinchilla.
