Jersey Wooly kit colors (with cute pictures) and a lesson in recessive genes

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Four kits born on the 18th with a surprise (to me) color! I had to revise this post because it originally said I wasn't confused and it turns out I was, hahaha.

Here's what I know about the genotypes of these two cute Jersey Woolies (revised, and I'll explain why.)
Sire: AAbbCCDdee (orange)
Dam: a(t)aB?CcddE? (blue otter)

Based on the dam's pedigree, I thought she was BB. But since chocolate is recessive, it's possible it just didn't happen to show up in any of her ancestors. I thought the kits were either chestnut or opal influenced by the rufus from the sire. (what there is, he's orange, not a deep red, but that's still something!) But based on expertise in this group, it seems the two orange-looking kits may be chocolate agouti.

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(aren't they cute together?)

I'm thrilled because I expected just two colors (chestnut and opal) and lucked out with what appears like three. :)

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Adding an updated photo of the kits at 11 days old. I thought for a minute that the two orange looking kits might just be orange, but no, they were not pink at birth and they have some classic agouti patterning that you wouldn't see on orange. (Orange are agouti, but the non-extension cancels the rings and affects some other markings too.)

Bonus: the silver kit is growing in kinda blond. The "regular" chestnut is getting a lot of orange streaked through her fur too. Cute kits!
 

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They are either high rufus chestnut or high rufus opal. I'm not sure how to tell which of those two they are.
As newborns, the chestnuts are often born black with the typical white agouti markings, the white inner ears are noticeable at birth, as is the light belly. Opals look lilac at birth, a pale chocolate. As they develop their agouti banding, the chestnut will have black tips, and slate gray undercolor. Opal will have lilac tips and pale lilac undercolor, even with the high rufus that makes them look orange.
 
Adding an updated photo of the kits at 11 days old. I thought for a minute that the two orange looking kits might just be orange, but no, they were not pink at birth and they have some classic agouti patterning that you wouldn't see on orange. (Orange are agouti, but the non-extension cancels the rings and affects some other markings too.)

They are either high rufus chestnut or high rufus opal. I'm not sure how to tell which of those two they are.

Bonus: the silver kit is growing in kinda blond. Rufus is trickling into opal fur. The "regular" chestnut is getting a lot of orange streaked through her fur too. Cute kits!
Could the dam be carrying chocolate, <a(t)aBbCcddEE> rather than being <BB>? Even if chocolate does not appear on the pedigree, recessives can hide for a very long time. The orange-y kits look like ambers to me (aka chocolate agouti). Looking back at that first photo, there is a definite chocolate hue to them there, though photos on computer screens can be iffy for calling colors. My experience has been that when agoutis and tans are born, they look like the color their hair tips will be - so chestnuts look black, opals look blue, ambers look chocolate and lynx look lilac. In fact the "opal" looks like it might actually be lynx.

Generally when I'm looking at older agoutis, I look at the dark lining on the ear tips to determine base color. (This even works on oranges/reds, especially if they're a bit smutty). I can't get a good look at your orange-y kits' ear color but overall they have a chocolate look, at least on my screen. Most of the ambers I've dealt with don't look "chocolate" per se, rather they look like chestnuts with very little/light ticking. The chocolate ticking provides very low contrast with the rufus intermediate ring.

I am curious why you're calling these kits high-rufus. The chestnut and the opal kits look pretty normal to me. And while the orange sire has a nice orange color, he doesn't strike me as tremendously high-rufus (as in a Thrianta), and the otter dam does not look like she has particularly notable rufus factor at all.

As newborns, the chestnuts are often born black with the typical white agouti markings, the white inner ears are noticeable at birth, as is the light belly. Opals look lilac at birth, a pale chocolate. As they develop their agouti banding, the chestnut will have black tips, and slate gray undercolor. Opal will have lilac tips and pale lilac undercolor, even with the high rufus that makes them look orange.
I think you might be crossing opal and lynx...opals are blue agoutis - tipped in blue - and lynx are lilac agoutis - tipped in lilac. So opals are born looking blue, while lynx are born looking lilac, kind of pinkish gray. Because the lilac is such a low contrast to the dilute tan color, depending on coat quality and ring definition, as adults they can sometimes look like almost like a sooty orange. In my experience, they both have pale slate undercolor, with the lynx being paler than the opal.
 
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Here are some more photos from their first full day. Yes, it's possible that the doe could be carrying chocolate. These are her first kits and there are zero chocolate-family ancestors on her pedigree, but as you say, that doesn't mean chocolate isn't there. I was guessing based on pedigree.

Any help accurately naming these colors is welcome!
 

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If the kits are chocolate, it's a surprise, but nice. And ok, I edited to not call them high rufus. No one here is thrianta level. (That deep red would be great. maybe someday!)

The sire is a nice, strong orange and almost all of his kits either are orange or appear orangish in addition to whatever their base color is (he's sired over a dozen kits to date, and I've seen photos of most of them.) The dam is a blue otter and she doesn't have any visible rufus at all.

I still think this might be a set of kits that have two genotypes but three different visible colors. Or two of them are surprise chocolate agouti. If that's the case, I'll need to change the post to be about recessive genes that can pop up even when completely absent in a pedigree. It seems a shame to delete it though!
 
Opals look lilac at birth, a pale chocolate. As they develop their agouti banding, the chestnut will have black tips, and slate gray undercolor. Opal will have lilac tips and pale lilac undercolor, even with the high rufus that makes them look orange.
I think you might be crossing opal and lynx... Opals are blue agoutis - tipped in blue - and lynx are lilac agoutis - tipped in lilac. So opals are born looking blue, while lynx are born looking lilac, kind of pinkish gray. Because the lilac is such a low contrast to the dilute tan color, depending on coat quality and ring definition, as adults they can sometimes look like almost like a sooty orange. In my experience, they both have pale slate undercolor, with the lynx being a little paler than the opal. I don't have photos of undercolor or the varieties in normal fur or wool, but here's an opal Mini Rex next to a lynx Mini Rex for comparison. The lynx had unusually good tan factor, particularly for a dilute (he came from my red line).
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If the kits are chocolate, it's a surprise, but nice. And ok, I edited to not call them high rufus. No one here is thrianta level. (That deep red would be great. maybe someday!)

The sire is a nice, strong orange and almost all of his kits either are orange or appear orangish in addition to whatever their base color is (he's sired over a dozen kits to date, and I've seen photos of most of them.) The dam is a blue otter and she doesn't have any visible rufus at all.

I still think this might be a set of kits that have two genotypes but three different visible colors. Or two of them are surprise chocolate agouti. If that's the case, I'll need to change the post to be about recessive genes that can pop up even when completely absent in a pedigree. It seems a shame to delete it though!
High rufus just means intensified rufus coloring, which is indicated in a genetic notation as plusses. Super-high rufus, like Thrianta, would be +++++, while a good rich red NZ would be +++. So it's almost a sliding scale, and really depends on having a frame of reference. As far as I know, the folks who study it don't exactly know what "rufus factors" are, but they seem to be modifiers that apparently build up over generations. So, many red breeders breed red x red nearly exclusively, because if you cross a red with another variety, you tend to get a reduction in the intensity of the red color. I've seen it in my own barn, in my Satins and New Zealands.

So, even if your orange is a relatively high rufus color, breeding him with an otter with a low tan factor generally would not give you high-rufus kits.

Breeders of orange rabbits don't tend to be so concerned about this, because intense rufus is not usually what you're going for in an orange (it'll become red). Breeders of chestnuts/castors also avoid intensifying the rufus because it moves the surface color away from the ideal.
Here are some more photos from their first full day. Yes, it's possible that the doe could be carrying chocolate. These are her first kits and there are zero chocolate-family ancestors on her pedigree, but as you say, that doesn't mean chocolate isn't there. I was guessing based on pedigree.

Any help accurately naming these colors is welcome!
I'd lean toward calling them chestnut (black agouti), amber (chocolate agouti) and lynx (lilac - aka dilute chocolate - agouti). That would mean that you know for sure that your doe carries a <b> and your buck carries a <d>.

As the kits develop, the wool fur type will change the colors' appearance, but you should be able to look at the ear trim to make a more confident determination of base color.

I'd love to see photos of these kits as they grow.
 
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Thanks! Yes, the chestnut one is the only one I'm really confident about naming the color for right now. I know for sure the sire carries dilute and that he's a chocolate base. Still surprising about chocolate kits if that's what we're seeing. But I think chocolate long-haired rabbits are gorgeous so it's a pleasant surprise.

Thanks for the further details about rufus also. I took out references to "high rufus" -- what I really meant was "two of these kits look more orangish red than I expected."

Attaching some photos of one of the amber (?) boys from today. Now that I have it in mind, he does look chocolate! In the third photo, those ear tips. They do seem kinda chocolate brown.
 

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I think you might be crossing opal and lynx... Opals are blue agoutis - tipped in blue - and lynx are lilac agoutis - tipped in lilac. So opals are born looking blue, while lynx are born looking lilac, kind of pinkish gray
Yes, you're right. Opals look blue, lynx looks lilac. My error.
 
This is a high rufus chocolate agouti:
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She was born chocolate with white inner ears. As the coat developed, the orange tones became more noticeable. When spun, the yarn is very similar to that of her red sire, except the undercolor is tan instead of creamy white like the red.
Judymac, What would you say your favorite rabbit-colors to spin are? I've been struck by just how much lighter the fiber is off the rabbit. Even my "all black" boys produce fiber that spins up a light gray. Still beautiful, but now I'm thinking about growing some complementary natural dye plants to see if I could deepen the colors without drowning them.
 
Judymac, What would you say your favorite rabbit-colors to spin are? I've been struck by just how much lighter the fiber is off the rabbit. Even my "all black" boys produce fiber that spins up a light gray. Still beautiful, but now I'm thinking about growing some complementary natural dye plants to see if I could deepen the colors without drowning them.
My favorites are reds, blacks (and yes, the fiber is gray, only the face stays black) and the silvery chinchillas, but my #1 seller is the variegated yarn with a mix of harlequin, chocolate, chocolate agouti, chestnut, black, chinchilla and white, as items made from it go with just about anything.

I find the coarser angoras have the deepest color, so it's a tradeoff, softness vs. color depth. French Angora and some of the Satin Angoras have much deeper color than my English Angora, which I breed for a minimum of coarser guard hairs. I don't get the high spike of the coarser fiber, but I do get a softness that is spectacular in its own way. Of course, I've met super soft French, and I do have one black English doe with coarser fiber that is twice as dark as the other blacks when spun, as the coarser (and darker) guard hairs fuzz out, making it look darker.

If you like the more intense shades, breed the darkest rabbits together. Just like you need to breed red x red to increase the rufus factor, there is also a darkening factor you can intensify by breeding the darkest (most color saturated) together. Decades ago, I had blue rabbits that had darker fiber than most blacks, because I had the darkening factor in my herd. Then I met these incredibly pale pastel rabbits and fell in love with the soft colors I did not have, bred them into my herd, and forever lost that dark factor in the succeeding generations. I did not realize my mistake until it was too late.

As to dyeing, I actually prefer to dye over the gray colors for more intense jewel tones. I used to raise gray sheep just for this purpose, the color was richer than was possible with just dyeing over white. You can dye over any of the bunny colors. Now, unlike sheep wool, angora hates to get wet, and tends to float on top of the dyebath, ruthlessly avoiding getting dyed. I work hard to squeeze water through the fiber gently, and get it totally saturated before dyeing if I want a deep color. Just be sure to put cold, wet angora into a cool dyebath, and bring up the temperature slowly. Cold wet angora into a boiling bath is a recipe for felting, which I try to avoid until after the fiber is dyed. (I actually toss raw dry sheep wool into the hot dye pot with a squirt of dishwashing liquid, and let it wash and dye at the same time, I've done truckloads of it this way.)

Lycopus is a common weed in moist areas of America, also called bugleweed, water horehound, or gypsywort. This drawing is from the USDA Plants Database
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Dyeing with the whole plant makes deep charcoal gray/black shades, especially with an iron mordant. Black on processed wool yarn, dark gray on angora fiber. 1735702666602.pngWith alum, you get this yellow shade.

For deeper chocolate shades, try black walnut. You can use those messy nut husks in the fall, but I much prefer either the bark (which keeps all year for winter dyeing) or the leaves. None of the grit and ooze you get with the nut husks, and the leaves are available for the entire growing season. It does not need a mordant (which you know if you've ever picked up the oozy nuts without gloves.)

By the way, if you clip your angora rabbits, you are likely to get much, much lighter fiber than if you pluck the molting hair. The deepest color is on the tips of the fiber, if you clip that off, the remaining fiber is much lighter for the next crop. I am amazed what a difference it makes.

For other colors, ragweed and/or goldenrod in an iron pot makes khaki green. Goldenrod with alum in a non-iron pot is bright yellow. You can buy madder root or sappan wood (brazilwood) for reds. If you're growing madder, you want to harvest the three-year old roots in the fall, I think the fresh homegrown root makes a superior red to the store stuff. I dye my angora blue with indigo--the pre-reduced indigo that only uses soda ash instead of lye is gentle enough for angora. If you use the traditional indigo with lye, have vinegar on hand to neutralize the alkali once you've dipped the fiber and it has aired back to blue (indigo is a weird dye that starts out a an oxygen-starved urine-yellow dyebath, but when the fiber hits the oxygen in the air it recombines with the oxygen and turns blue again, an amazing bit of magic before your eyes.)

You can grow fresh woad, Japanese indigo and/or true indigo, and use the ice-dye method. Because the plant has an enzyme that disables the easy extraction of the blue color, it requires fermentation or chemical intervention to restore the blue. BUT, you can stop the enzyme before it changes the color availability by using ice and a blender. Harvest your leaves before the plant blooms (you can get several harvests a season), and immediately put them into a blender with ice. Pulse the mixture until the leaves are blended, pour into a bowl or pan, and gently swirl the fiber into the mixture for five minutes, then remove and air for five minutes. Repeat several times. The color will be a soft ice blue to teal green, a different shade than the navy-ish indigo done with multiple dips the traditional way. This is silk dyed this way with fresh woad leaves:
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My favorite orange is from coreopsis/calliopsis plant and flowers. It's so weird to see those green leaves go in the dyepot and dye rich orange.
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Dark red marigold flowers will do the same thing. There are dye plants surrounding us, if we know where to look for them.
 
This is a high rufus chocolate agouti:
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She was born chocolate with white inner ears. As the coat developed, the orange tones became more noticeable. When spun, the yarn is very similar to that of her red sire, except the undercolor is tan instead of creamy white like the red.
She is gorgeous. Of course I'm a little biased when it comes to satinized colors. 😁

I'm curious about whether you can discern chocolate tips/ring pattern in her wool. I'd love to see an image of the wool when blown into, if you have one or can get one. Other than the chocolate ear lacing, I could easily mistake her for a red! In Mini Rex and Rex, amber can look a lot like a slightly muddy orange, and it can be very hard to pick out the chocolate tips when blowing into the fur (though the undercolor and intermediate ring are pretty distinct).
 
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My favorites are reds, blacks (and yes, the fiber is gray, only the face stays black) and the silvery chinchillas, but my #1 seller is the variegated yarn with a mix of harlequin, chocolate, chocolate agouti, chestnut, black, chinchilla and white, as items made from it go with just about anything.

I find the coarser angoras have the deepest color, so it's a tradeoff, softness vs. color depth. French Angora and some of the Satin Angoras have much deeper color than my English Angora, which I breed for a minimum of coarser guard hairs. I don't get the high spike of the coarser fiber, but I do get a softness that is spectacular in its own way. Of course, I've met super soft French, and I do have one black English doe with coarser fiber that is twice as dark as the other blacks when spun, as the coarser (and darker) guard hairs fuzz out, making it look darker.

If you like the more intense shades, breed the darkest rabbits together. Just like you need to breed red x red to increase the rufus factor, there is also a darkening factor you can intensify by breeding the darkest (most color saturated) together. Decades ago, I had blue rabbits that had darker fiber than most blacks, because I had the darkening factor in my herd. Then I met these incredibly pale pastel rabbits and fell in love with the soft colors I did not have, bred them into my herd, and forever lost that dark factor in the succeeding generations. I did not realize my mistake until it was too late.

As to dyeing, I actually prefer to dye over the gray colors for more intense jewel tones. I used to raise gray sheep just for this purpose, the color was richer than was possible with just dyeing over white. You can dye over any of the bunny colors. Now, unlike sheep wool, angora hates to get wet, and tends to float on top of the dyebath, ruthlessly avoiding getting dyed. I work hard to squeeze water through the fiber gently, and get it totally saturated before dyeing if I want a deep color. Just be sure to put cold, wet angora into a cool dyebath, and bring up the temperature slowly. Cold wet angora into a boiling bath is a recipe for felting, which I try to avoid until after the fiber is dyed. (I actually toss raw dry sheep wool into the hot dye pot with a squirt of dishwashing liquid, and let it wash and dye at the same time, I've done truckloads of it this way.)

Lycopus is a common weed in moist areas of America, also called bugleweed, water horehound, or gypsywort. This drawing is from the USDA Plants Database
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Dyeing with the whole plant makes deep charcoal gray/black shades, especially with an iron mordant. Black on processed wool yarn, dark gray on angora fiber. View attachment 44553With alum, you get this yellow shade.

For deeper chocolate shades, try black walnut. You can use those messy nut husks in the fall, but I much prefer either the bark (which keeps all year for winter dyeing) or the leaves. None of the grit and ooze you get with the nut husks, and the leaves are available for the entire growing season. It does not need a mordant (which you know if you've ever picked up the oozy nuts without gloves.)

By the way, if you clip your angora rabbits, you are likely to get much, much lighter fiber than if you pluck the molting hair. The deepest color is on the tips of the fiber, if you clip that off, the remaining fiber is much lighter for the next crop. I am amazed what a difference it makes.

For other colors, ragweed and/or goldenrod in an iron pot makes khaki green. Goldenrod with alum in a non-iron pot is bright yellow. You can buy madder root or sappan wood (brazilwood) for reds. If you're growing madder, you want to harvest the three-year old roots in the fall, I think the fresh homegrown root makes a superior red to the store stuff. I dye my angora blue with indigo--the pre-reduced indigo that only uses soda ash instead of lye is gentle enough for angora. If you use the traditional indigo with lye, have vinegar on hand to neutralize the alkali once you've dipped the fiber and it has aired back to blue (indigo is a weird dye that starts out a an oxygen-starved urine-yellow dyebath, but when the fiber hits the oxygen in the air it recombines with the oxygen and turns blue again, an amazing bit of magic before your eyes.)

You can grow fresh woad, Japanese indigo and/or true indigo, and use the ice-dye method. Because the plant has an enzyme that disables the easy extraction of the blue color, it requires fermentation or chemical intervention to restore the blue. BUT, you can stop the enzyme before it changes the color availability by using ice and a blender. Harvest your leaves before the plant blooms (you can get several harvests a season), and immediately put them into a blender with ice. Pulse the mixture until the leaves are blended, pour into a bowl or pan, and gently swirl the fiber into the mixture for five minutes, then remove and air for five minutes. Repeat several times. The color will be a soft ice blue to teal green, a different shade than the navy-ish indigo done with multiple dips the traditional way. This is silk dyed this way with fresh woad leaves:
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My favorite orange is from coreopsis/calliopsis plant and flowers. It's so weird to see those green leaves go in the dyepot and dye rich orange.
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Dark red marigold flowers will do the same thing. There are dye plants surrounding us, if we know where to look for them.
Amazing info and advice! The highly variegated mixed yarn best-seller sounds like a real mixing pot, but I can see why it would be popular. Interesting, but still subtle. I don't think I've ever seen a Harlequin Angora!

So far, I'm working exclusively with plucked fiber. Oddly, my most productive rabbit at the moment is a Jersey Wooly even though he's under three pounds. His fur grows quickly and then he molts it off almost completely. Wouldn't make a good show rabbit, but excellent for fiber production!

I have woad growing here happily and I think I'll try it with your technique this year on the light gray angora. I also have false indigo in abundance and seeds for both true indigo and madder. And dyer's coreopsis! I think I'll try coreopsis on top of my fawn angora fiber. It's incredibly soft, but so light in color off the rabbit, basically off-white.

In the photo, fawn on the left, "self black" on the right.
 

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I haven't successfully gotten the false indigo to take color yet, even the few references by the colonists called it a poor indigo source. But, I'm hoping the new Baptisia (false indigo) plants grow, so I can keep trying.

Yes, those fawn fibers do look pale. Lovely shade, but coreopsis will definitely lively it up. You don't need the tall weedy dyer's coreopsis, I've found that the garden center perennial varieties work great as well (often sold as Calliopsis).

I keep working with the black shades, as I ended up purchasing several that had almost white fiber at the skin once their full coat grew in. Very disappointing, as the outer coat was rather dark. So, I'm selecting now for the darkest fiber, going as far down the hairshaft as possible, with no white undercolor. It may be pale gray, but I want to see color to the skin, if possible.
 
I'm curious about whether you can discern chocolate tips/ring pattern in her wool. I'd love to see an image of the wool when blown into, if you have one or can get one.
This is non-rufus chocolate agouti:
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This is the same rabbit, only as a young kit:
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Rather looks like a sooty fawn, but the undercolor is pale chocolate, not creamy white.
 
I keep working with the black shades, as I ended up purchasing several that had almost white fiber at the skin once their full coat grew in. Very disappointing, as the outer coat was rather dark. So, I'm selecting now for the darkest fiber, going as far down the hairshaft as possible, with no white undercolor. It may be pale gray, but I want to see color to the skin, if possible.
Have you thought about trying to add steel into your self blacks? I don't have a ton of evidence yet, but now that I'm paying attention, I am noticing that while my self black and self blue Satins already generally have good color depth, the ones that are hiding steel - that is <E(S)E>, as determined by test breeding - consistently have deeper undercolor that carries farther down toward the skin than the ones that are normal extension <EE>. I am not sure if this affects only the underfur or if it also affects the guard hairs, or if it would be effective in deepening wool color, but it might be worth a try...? 🤔

Here is a normal extension black Satin (left) compared to a self black steel (right):Treat fur 3-19-23 closeup.JPG Stardust fur 3-2023 closeup.JPG
 

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