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Hello all!! I have a few questions for you again. I'll enclose a pic of where I would like to build my cages, and would like your advice. The shelves are 30"h x 24"w x 8'l. I plan on doing wire pens for them, with 2 24x24" and 1 24x36" pens per shelf. They would be raised off the plywood, and I plan on finding or making a poop rack and a urine tray for underneath of them. They will be located in the part of my basement that is unfinished, so I'm kind of worried about the smell, since I have read on here the rabbit urine is putrid.

Now for the questions: Do I need to have a 'roof' or top for the cages they will be in, since they will be indoors ?

Will the smell become a nuisance if I clean the trays once or twice a day?

Should I wrap the walls with plastic to keep the smell out of the walls?

Would this be an ample spot for a buck and a couple of does, plus their kits? I plan on breeding them about a week apart from each other, but thinking that the 36x24 cages would be used for grow outs.

One more thing, could I use a chicken wire cage for a medical ward?

If I have happened to miss anything, please let me know!!
 

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You will want to make sure you have something to protect your walls around a buck cage (or walls that are easy to get to and wipe down) because bucks will spray, especially if they are close to the other rabbits.

The smell will depend on what kind of bottoms your cages have and how often you clean things up. If you're going to use those shelves, they cages would have wooden bottoms (or at least solid bottoms) which means you would need to use litter in the bottom of the cages to help absorb the odor and mess. Appropriate litter to use is either pine pellets (not shavings) or litter/bedding made from recycled paper (unscented only).

I only put litter in my rabbit's litter boxes and I use this http://www.amazon.com/Fresh-News-Cat-Litter-Pounds/dp/B00332G58S
and this http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/tractor-supply-coreg;-pine-pellet-stall-bedding-40-lb mixed together. But that wouldn't really be practical for a lot of rabbits.

Most operations who breed rabbits use wire-bottom cages, with good reason. It's far easier to keep the cages clean, mainly.

The cage size depends on what breed of rabbits you would be raising. That size might be ok for small rabbits, like dwarves.

The minimum cage size for a full-grown medium sized rabbit is 30x30 or 30x36 for a pregnant doe to raise her litter to weaning age.
 
If I remember right, you were going to get New Zealands. If that's still true, I think those cage sizes are a bit small. My NZ does are in 30x48" cages and only have kits in there until weaning. At that point, the kits go in their own 7' long cage. NZ can have litters of over 10 kits, and at six weeks, the kits weigh about 3 pounds each, more or less. That's 30 pounds of kits, plus another 8-12 for the doe- that's a lot of rabbit to make room for.

No, you don't need a roof with inside buns. I agree with Syberchick on covering the wall behind the cages. Plastic shower curtains make a good cover, and they are cheap and easily replaced.

One last note- if those shelved are pressboard or plywood, I would be concerned about them getting wet and warping. Water does get spilled. And if the cages are going to be raised off the plywood, and you are adding a poop board/urine tray, make sure you still have headroom for at least at 18" high cage to fit on the shelves.

Oops, one more last note- can you get outside from the basement without going through the house? I wouldn't want to tote rabbit waste through my house on a regular basis.
 
Marinea":onatoyem said:
Oops, one more last note- can you get outside from the basement without going through the house? I wouldn't want to tote rabbit waste through my house on a regular basis.

That's a realllly good point too.... MUST have access to easy waste disposal!! Bunnies produce a lot of... 'black gold' lol
 
Syberchick70":8t7fsj4l said:
You will want to make sure you have something to protect your walls around a buck cage (or walls that are easy to get to and wipe down) because bucks will spray, especially if they are close to the other rabbits.

The smell will depend on what kind of bottoms your cages have and how often you clean things up. If you're going to use those shelves, they cages would have wooden bottoms (or at least solid bottoms) which means you would need to use litter in the bottom of the cages to help absorb the odor and mess. Appropriate litter to use is either pine pellets (not shavings) or litter/bedding made from recycled paper (unscented only).

I only put litter in my rabbit's litter boxes and I use this http://www.amazon.com/Fresh-News-Cat-Litter-Pounds/dp/B00332G58S
and this http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/tractor-supply-coreg;-pine-pellet-stall-bedding-40-lb mixed together. But that wouldn't really be practical for a lot of rabbits.

Most operations who breed rabbits use wire-bottom cages, with good reason. It's far easier to keep the cages clean, mainly.

The cage size depends on what breed of rabbits you would be raising. That size might be ok for small rabbits, like dwarves.

The minimum cage size for a full-grown medium sized rabbit is 30x30 or 30x36 for a pregnant doe to raise her litter to weaning age.
My cages will be wire, and I will hang them from the 2x4's. Also plan on getting a poop rack made out of 1/4 x 1/4 mesh, with trays on the bottom for the urine. They will be cleaned out, at least once a day.

We have a cat, so maybe I will put kitty litter in the urine pans as well?

I have some thick plastic for the walls for the buck cage. You mentioned the buck cage, so does that mean that the does will keep it in the cage? I was planning on keeping the buck on the top shelf and the does on the middle one, hoping it may keep him from spraying as bad. I don't know if it would work or not, considering he could still smell them.

I plan on getting some NZWx Californians from a breeder not too far from me, that will be pedigrees. I don't plan on having anything too big....yet, but you never know. My wife works at a restaurant right down the street, that I could probably sell them to, periodically, plus she has the 'Clubhouse' for the golf course too. I just want enough to eat and possibly sell a few of them to make my money back, plus, if I don't use it all, I could sell the manure too, not to mention the pelts once I figure out how to properly skin them.

I could just make 2 24x36 cages on each shelf and still have 6 cages, which should be plenty. If I need more room, I could always build more cages later. I only plan on doing the middle and top shelves now, but at least I know I'd have more room if I need it!! <br /><br /> -- Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:59 pm -- <br /><br />
Marinea":8t7fsj4l said:
If I remember right, you were going to get New Zealands. If that's still true, I think those cage sizes are a bit small. My NZ does are in 30x48" cages and only have kits in there until weaning. At that point, the kits go in their own 7' long cage. NZ can have litters of over 10 kits, and at six weeks, the kits weigh about 3 pounds each, more or less. That's 30 pounds of kits, plus another 8-12 for the doe- that's a lot of rabbit to make room for.

No, you don't need a roof with inside buns. I agree with Syberchick on covering the wall behind the cages. Plastic shower curtains make a good cover, and they are cheap and easily replaced.

One last note- if those shelved are pressboard or plywood, I would be concerned about them getting wet and warping. Water does get spilled. And if the cages are going to be raised off the plywood, and you are adding a poop board/urine tray, make sure you still have headroom for at least at 18" high cage to fit on the shelves.

Oops, one more last note- can you get outside from the basement without going through the house? I wouldn't want to tote rabbit waste through my house on a regular basis.

Wow, I have to go bigger yet then. I could still do 5 cages with a 24x48 cage, if that would be better? I could put the growout cage on the bottom.

I would have trays for the plywood, plus I'd probably put plastic over them too. The height is about 31", so I should have plenty of room for the trays!!
 
lereg15":837adglo said:
We have a cat, so maybe I will put kitty litter in the urine pans as well?

I've never heard of anyone using traditional kitty litter, but since the rabbits wouldn't be able to get to the litter, the only reason(s) I can think of not to use it would the dust (rabbits do not do well with dust) and possibly any chemical odor that might bother them. I'm not sure though.

lereg15":837adglo said:
You mentioned the buck cage, so does that mean that the does will keep it in the cage? I was planning on keeping the buck on the top shelf and the does on the middle one, hoping it may keep him from spraying as bad. I don't know if it would work or not, considering he could still smell them.

Does MOSTLY keep it in the cage. Does are capable of spraying, but usually do not. Occasionally, they will pee out of the side of the cage. Again though, I have litter boxes in my cages for them and they mostly use those. It's a bit of a hassle to clean up though.

As for the buck spraying, I have seen it happen more when he can SEE the doe, particularly when he gets close to the cage she's in. I think there might also be some territorial spraying when they are moved into a new area, but that settles down after a bit.

lereg15":837adglo said:
I could just make 2 24x36 cages on each shelf and still have 6 cages, which should be plenty. If I need more room, I could always build more cages later. I only plan on doing the middle and top shelves now, but at least I know I'd have more room if I need it!!

That might be big enough for a solo rabbit, but I'm still not sure it would be large enough for a doe with kits. The 30x36 was barely big enough for my doe with kits and she is a smallish/medium sized doe (about 5.5 lbs). I believe your rabbits would be considerably larger. You should wait and see what others have to add regarding the cage size.
 
Thanks Syberchick!! I was just planning on putting the cat litter in the actual pee pans, that would actually be under the poop tray. That way I could separate them, it would give the poo a little time to dry as well. I saw a diy post from Grumpy on the poop trays that I'm thinking about incorporating. Oh, from the cleaning aspect of it, I have 5 gal buckets and a funnel system for the pee trays and only have about 10' of 'living' space to go through, until I get to the garage. I have tons of plastic sheeting too that I could put down also.
 
Syberchick70":1vmhqifa said:
How is the ventilation? Also, does it stay cool enough in there during the summer?

There are 2 vents down there, so I should be good with that!! And I don't think it gets above 80 down there, even when it's in the high nineties.
 
I think you would be fine with 24x48" cages. If you are building your own cages, maybe think about 24" tall ones for the does- that way you can add a shelf for them to get away from kits from time to time.

One thing I wanted to mention on something you posted earlier. You said you wanted to breed your does about a week apart. In my opinion, you might want to re-think that idea and breed them at the same time. Well, two does at the same time. A lot of breeders do that, for several reasons. It basically allows you to foster kits from one doe to another easily, with the kits being very close to the same age. That way, if one doe has too large a litter, or not enough milk, or any other problem, you have a second doe that can step in. Kits a week or so apart and that becomes more problematic.
 
Marinea":wxti0ri7 said:
I think you would be fine with 24x48" cages. If you are building your own cages, maybe think about 24" tall ones for the does- that way you can add a shelf for them to get away from kits from time to time.

One thing I wanted to mention on something you posted earlier. You said you wanted to breed your does about a week apart. In my opinion, you might want to re-think that idea and breed them at the same time. Well, two does at the same time. A lot of breeders do that, for several reasons. It basically allows you to foster kits from one doe to another easily, with the kits being very close to the same age. That way, if one doe has too large a litter, or not enough milk, or any other problem, you have a second doe that can step in. Kits a week or so apart and that becomes more problematic.
They will be about 22" inches tall, but I didn't plan on putting a ceiling on the cages. They should have plenty of height in the cages though!!

Breeding at the same time makes more sense when you look at it that way. I may have to get more cages though after a while, :) .
 
Rabbits can climb. I had some baby dwarf rabbits escape 28" high walls and fall 4' down in to the colony beneath the cages where they were killed by a large aggressive doe. I've had adult dwarf does jump out of cages with a top opening lid and a lip around the top of the cage maybe not quite 2' high.
 
I've seen my medium-sized rabbits clear 3' with no problem, from a stand still.
They definitely can and will climb and jump.
 
I have some actual chicken wire that I could use for the tops then. I wanted to get chickens, so I had built the brooder and started on the coop, then heard we aren't allowed to have them, living on the golf course. I haven't thought of them jumping out either, thanks Syber and akane!!
 
I would say a top is not optional for a rabbit it's a must imo. Use AVC water to help keep urine smell down.

-- Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:50 am --

I would think about 1/8 in mesh for your droppings collector as a lot will fit through the 1/2 inch. We have 18 holes in our basement and do pretty well. <br /><br /> -- Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:54 am -- <br /><br /> Kit droppings are small.
 
Silver Cloud":1hj8prow said:
I would say a top is not optional for a rabbit it's a must imo. Use AVC water to help keep urine smell down.

-- Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:50 am --

I would think about 1/8 in mesh for your droppings collector as a lot will fit through the 1/2 inch. We have 18 holes in our basement and do pretty well.

-- Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:54 am --

Kit droppings are small.

AVC water? I planned on using 1/4 mesh for the poop tray, is that still too big?
 
Silver Cloud":19oyvs4y said:
Apple Cider Vinegar, 1/4" Should work. We are wishing you the best of luck and hoping all goes well. :) Pics when you get it done?
Thank you!! My lovely wife can't make up her mind on where I'm going to put them, But either way, I'll post the pics of my finished project. I built my first cage today!! I can't say that I'm a fan of the J clips, lol, My eyes are getting bad and I can't see the j's to get into both wires. I used a few more than I should have, but I'm happy the way it turned out. No roof yet, but I will definitely have one!
 
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