Pictures of pearls....black pearl?

[Zinnia]

More baby pictures! Peony's litter is 3 1/2 weeks old. There are black and chocolate self chin, and black pearl? ...and a chocolate pearl? Am I guessing right on the kits?

http://s296.photobucket.com/user/sevens ... 3.jpg.html

dam aa bb cchdc dd ee
sire aa Bb cchdc D_ ee

The dam's pedigree says lilac pearl. She's got a lot of color. Is the creamy shading typical of this color in angoras?

Note: The first picture is another one of my dams, Nutmeg. She's a cream with a fair amount of smut. Does that sound right? The breeder was pretty sure.


Thanks!

 

[Dood]

I would say those are not dark shaded/sallander kits but are light shaded = aa B_ cchl_ D_ ee

Have you ever gotten chinchilla coloured kits out of either parent? If so then I am wrong about at least one if them being dark shaded.

They are still pearls, according to the website you posted a out on another thread, but are called "frosted pearls" on another site.

I don't see the chocolate self chin you are talking about me wonder if it is actually a Siamese sable or seal instead. A picture of it side by side with the black would help.

In angoras, cream is a lilac fawn which I think she could be.

 

[Zinnia]

First time using this buck, and first litter for the doe. I will say that the doe's breeder is excellent with genotype records, and Peony's pedigree shows cchd (which is called pearl in angora, though I know the same phenotype can be achieved with cchl). And cchl should not be hidden since the breeder recognizes her recessive as c.

The buck... Well, I don't know for certain. We only guessed he would be black self chin (gray eyes). He is jet black, not softer as cchl would be. And his mom was REW, so the cchl cannot be hidden. It is either cchd or cchl as the dominant only in that buck. Wouldn't he appear a wee bit washed in color if he had cchl? I'll take a closer look at him today, but I'm pretty sure he's as black as can be.

I'll do another breeding with these two in a few months. With luck, I'll know more sooner, as I bred another pearl (only difference in the two pearls is dilute) to this buck, due to kindle any day.

Zinnia

 

[skysthelimit]

My self chins are as black as the blacks. Some even have brown eyes, but I know they are self chin because they come from two chin parents. If the black buck does not come from two chin parents, or two parents that for sure have chin on the locus, ( or one that is a chin, frost and chin based colors included and one REW)then technically he's not a self chin.

Only the chin gene cchd qualifies as a self chin, the shaded cchl does not. There is some research by the Genetic Society of America suggests the shaded gene should not be described as chin light. Think of it like chin1, chin2, and chin3, where one and two are different types of chin and 3 is the shaded.

 

[Zinnia]

Okay. My brain is slowly warming up....

I've got no genotype info on the buck, but the phenotypes are a whole lot of black, chocolate, chestnut, REW mom, some tort...... No sign of a dominating chin on either side at least 3 generations up! :shock:

So, now I need to get out to the barn and check out those eyes. Could he be a black self? Seems more likely. His eyes could be a marbled, ruby cast pale brown. With half his kits as chocolate, could he just be carrying a recessive b and it shows in his eyes?

I'm going out to the barn....

__________ Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:02 am __________

....and his eyes are light mottled gray/brown. Although I didn't see a ruby cast this time, I thought I'd observed it in the past.

I should try to find a photo of a black rabbit with cchl.

__________ Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:14 am __________

Well, according to the description here...http://www.angorahouse.com/angora%20rab ... netics.htm he could be a sable.... Oh, I hate not knowing!

Dood, which kit did you think looked shaded? Was it the one who's rear is darker? Is that a clue to shaded gene?

Again. THANK YOU both for helping me learn more! <br /><br /> __________ Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:48 am __________ <br /><br /> As I think about it, I think I'd see some amount of reddish hue in the wool. On the contrary, the wool is quite blueish.

I'm guessing without genotypes in the pedigree (just phenotypes) I can't just assume that he's a C, but I'm kind of hoping that could be true.

Sorry... I always feel a bit geeky when I see myself responding to my own posts in this magnitude. :lol: