MSD i owe you an apology

[skysthelimit]

because now Phoenix is burping up gassy chicken smells.


Not just rabbit smells anymore. This girls needs some probiotic fast.

Gassy shepherds and the girls that love them.

 

[MamaSheepdog]

I failed to realize I had been wronged. :?

At least she is burping and not- er- you know.

 

[skysthelimit]

You suggested on the other gassy dog post that she needed probiotics, and I said maybe not because it was only the rabbit that made her gassy, not the chicken.

It's definitely her. And it seems to matter what time a day I feed her, and how much she eats at one time.

 

[MamaSheepdog]

Oh, I remember the thread. But we were all throwing ideas out there as possibilities, not as a concrete unquestionable cure.

If the chicken never made her gassy before, this must be a relatively new development. :hmm: I wonder what threw her gut flora off?

Wait... didn't you try medicating the rabbits during the ME outbreak? Phoenix eats rabbit poop, right? Maybe that did it.

 

[Zab]

Going off topic... but is there any probiotic or prebiotic to give a gassy dog, that's not counted as drugs/medecine? Sour cream, rejuvelac..?

(I'll assume you talk of a dog..because it ae chickens and rabbits..)

 

[skysthelimit]

I'm not sure if any of the probiotics I can get count as drugs. Most are just the Lac-- stuff I can't spell, the same thing that's the active ingredient in yogurt. Except they are dried and last longer than a tub of yogurt would. I get it out of the goat section in Tractor Supply.

She did eat the rabbit poop a while back, when I dosed everyone for Cocci. It's possible she might have been dosed, I did dose Chase and the other thin shepherd, Chopper, directly. The yogurt is still molding in the dog fridge . It's so hard to say about Phoenix. She seems to have a lot of wax build up in her ears. She also eats the cat poop the stray cats leave in the front yard. I am sick of those strays, but my views on trap and release are a whole other thread...

 

[MamaSheepdog]

I get it out of the goat section in Tractor Supply.

Goats and dogs will have very different gut flora, so that wont help the dog.

You should look into getting some specifically formulated for dogs.

http://www.dogprobiotics.com/

 

[skysthelimit]

Hmm. I thought all Lact.. stuff I can't spell, was the same.

 

[DogCatMom]

Hmm. I thought all Lact.. stuff I can't spell, was the same.

I think the word you're having trouble with is Lactobacillus. "Lacto-" from milk; "bacillus" having to do with the shape of the bacterium. Lactobacillus is present in milk and yogurt and, to a much lesser extent, cottage cheese.

 

[skysthelimit]

Thanks. Now that I see it, I remember it.

I am very lactose intolerant. I have not drank milk since I was 4, so all I could remember is the Lact- part...

 

[AmysMacdog]

Sky are you referring to Probios? It is labeled for cattle, swine, horses, sheep/goats, dogs, cats, birds, reptiles and everybody. It has lactobacillus acidophilus as well as a bunch of other things in it. Good stuff.
Dobermans are incredibly gassy dogs, I give Mac a dog specific digestive Enzyme called C9 which I got at TSC but they discontinued it. [darn it] I used to use Prozyme but I had to order it. That stuff was great! It was my favorite because while my dogs were on it I usually had to reduce the food a little so they wouldn't get fat!
Ugh! Sorry can't read the tiny print to compare.....LOL

 

[MamaSheepdog]

Hmm. I thought all Lact.. stuff I can't spell, was the same.

Nope. Just as various animals eat different things, so does the bacteria in their guts. So the beneficial bacteria that aids in digestion also differs. There are probably some that are common across species, like the Lacto family that digests milk proteins, but others that digest plant and animal based food will differ.

"Lacto-" from milk; "bacillus" having to do with the shape of the bacterium.

I didn't know that "bacillus" referred to the shape of the organism. :? Thanks for teaching me something new today!

 

[skysthelimit]

Sky are you referring to Probios? It is labeled for cattle, swine, horses, sheep/goats, dogs, cats, birds, reptiles and everybody. It has lactobacillus acidophilus as well as a bunch of other things in it. Good stuff.
Dobermans are incredibly gassy dogs, I give Mac a dog specific digestive Enzyme called C9 which I got at TSC but they discontinued it. [darn it] I used to use Prozyme but I had to order it. That stuff was great! It was my favorite because while my dogs were on it I usually had to reduce the food a little so they wouldn't get fat!
Ugh! Sorry can't read the tiny print to compare.....LOL

Yes. White jar, blue lettering, I believe. TSC keeps it in the goat section, but I thought it for general use.

 

[Frecs]

Zab, what is considered "prescription medicine" in Sweden can be very different than what we consider "prescription medicine" here in the USA. Here, herbs (in general) are not prescriptions and are not prescribed by physicians. And, that goes double for probiotics and the like.

What we call 'probiotics' are a couple dozen or more microbes that "promote life". The most commonly known here in the US is the Lactobacillus family of microbes. These are the "lactic acid" microbes that transform milk into yogurt.

Others include: clostridia, lactobacilli (there are 50 types of these), enterococci, bifidobacteria, Saccharomyces boulardii (aka S. boulardii), Streptococcus thermophilus, Enterococcus faecium and Escherichia coli.

Some of these beneficial microbes like acidic environs and will take up residence in your stomach (helping to prevent H. pylori from living there), while others prefer alkaline environs and will happily take up residence in different parts of your intestinal tract where they help digest foods and "off-gas" things that are good for us (like vitamin K).

Also, the interesting thing is that probiotics also are a functioning part of our immune system. Their function can help calm an over-active immune system (autoimmune problems), and can help with various ailments (like cancer amongst others).

 

[Zab]

Thanks for the info.

I didn't mean prescription drugs, but simply..enhanced? medecines.. altered/constructed to be used for the healing properties rather than natural or every-day foods that contains them
I wasn't/am not sure if theres any natural foods siytable for gassy dogs. Can I givve him Proviva? (a fruit drink with Lactobacillus plantarum 299v, it's sometimes used for horses in colic, if you can't access any pharmacy) Yoghurt? Sour cream? Rejuvelac? (home fermented beverege).. I don't want to give him anything that may make it worse

 

[skysthelimit]

I've given yogurt before. But it's not always convenient, and you know how we love convenience here. Easier to have a powdered form (which then needs additives to keep it stable I believe).

 

[Frecs]

Thanks for the info.

I didn't mean prescription drugs, but simply..enhanced? medecines.. altered/constructed to be used for the healing properties rather than natural or every-day foods that contains them
I wasn't/am not sure if theres any natural foods siytable for gassy dogs. Can I givve him Proviva? (a fruit drink with Lactobacillus plantarum 299v, it's sometimes used for horses in colic, if you can't access any pharmacy) Yoghurt? Sour cream? Rejuvelac? (home fermented beverege).. I don't want to give him anything that may make it worse

Ah...like pills...here in the USA, they do sell probiotics in pills for humans...as well as powders. For animals, I think it is a paste.

yes, you can give a dog yogurt/yoghurt (with active cultures), sour cream (with active cultures), Rejuvelac, Kombucha (I think I've read of people giving old SCOBYs to their pets), fermented veggies...

 

[Zab]

...yes.. pills or paste or ''non natural'' would probably be a better way to describe what I meant.. :lol: I can't always be clever, it'd get boring!

Thanks I'll try that.
uhm.. enzymes, that's not something that could do the job? I know there's a differense between enzymes and pro/pre biotics but.. I have a jar with pills..

 

[Frecs]

enzymes...ummm...might help...couldn't hurt...worth a try.

 

[skysthelimit]

I know people that have had GSDs with Pancreatic issues, and give enzymes to help with digestion. That is usually a big worry for me, but there would be other things that would manifest well before the gas that would tell me if she had those issues.

But... when I fed dog food, I did give a powdered enzyme that was suppose to increase the digestible nutrients of the dog food. I think I got it out of the Doc Roy Catalogue. They can also be fed, pancreas, form pig or cow.