Miss M":a04wnz12 said:
Nyctra":a04wnz12 said:
That's odd. You're not supposed to get black from Cali x Cali. :?
I thought Altex wasn't really Cali, but a very specific combination of Cali, NZ, and Flemish or something?
Here's a quote from TAMU-Kingsville's rabbit site stating the foundation breeds are Flemish Giant , Champagne d' Argent and Californian.
http://users.tamuk.edu/kfsdl00/rabb.html
Altex - This is a commercial sire breed of rabbit that was first developed at Alabama A&M University and later at Texas A&M University-Kingsville by Dr. Lukefahr and his former students. Foundation breeds were Flemish Giant, Champagne d' Argent, and Californian. The Altex was genetically selected for heavy 70 day market weights for over 20 generations. Color markings are that of a Californian (CAL), but weights are heavier ranging from 10 to 20 pounds. Altex x New Zealand White crossbred fryers typically reach market weight a week earlier than NZW purebred fryers. Another recommended cross is the mating from an Altex buck to a CAL X NZW crossbred doe.
I had an Altex/Cali cross buck but lost him to the heat back in August. Wasn't able to get a litter out of him. Oddly enough he was blue. Big rabbit with massive ears .... almost surprised he died to heat with those radiators.
I saw the parents of both the buck and two does who were half siblings , all three were Cali marked with the buck having very faint markings , one of the does had another litter from the same buck at the time that she was nursing , they were all either black or blue as well which I thought o be kinda odd considering the parents being Cali marked.
I wasn't really concerned with color , just meat production. But , I wasn't going to argue when my 8 year old daughter decided she wanted those two black does and that blue buck instead of the plain one's .... These does are of good size & shape solid meat bricks and the buck being large with good shape , I felt good about the prospects .... Damn Texas heat.
I see you have OAF bunnies, too!
I have a Cali buck loverbunny (seriously, he's the sweetest thing) from her. Just started breeding him, and can't wait to see what I get from him!
Now I need a couple of does from her.
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As far as what you're going to get, I have no idea! But I'll bet they'll be cute!
Yep , my Rex are from OAF and one of the does is from MSD's .... Evil Blue. She's due with a litter tomorrow , bred to the same chocolate buck (He's the only buck I have now). She lives up to her namesake's reputation , she gets real grumpy , especially if you try to pick her up. Makes breeding her a task. I put on plenty of armor so I don't get scratched up.
She wasn't like that when I picked her up , was easily handled , but after I got her home she took on a new personality & was very protective of her cage. Now after working with her daily she doesn't nip or box my hand anymore .... we're on good terms as long as I don't attempt to pick her up.
I have no idea what to expect from this litter , the rabbit color calculator @ Kims rabbit hutch gives a ton of options with just plugging in the sire & dam being black and chocolate - Pointed White, Black, Blue, Chocolate, Lilac, Sable Point, Siamese Sable, Smoke Pearl, Tortoise Shell, Blue Tortoise Shell, REW, Seal, Seal, Chocolate Tortoise Shell, Lilac Tortoise Shell.
I find it kinda funny that pointed white (cali marked?) is at the top of the list ....<br /><br />__________ Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:02 am __________<br /><br />
Dood":a04wnz12 said:
The parents were both white with Cali markings
this pairing (ch ch) can ONLY produce more white rabbits with pink eyes. One if the parents must have a full colour gene (C_) on the C-locus to have produced black daughters.
Genetically your black girls are - aa B_ Cch D_ E_
I think your chocolate buck is - aa bb CC DD EE but he could have some hidden recessives (and be aa bb C_ D_ E_ )
if you have any info on his litter mates or the colour of his kits with other does it could help.
So I think you will get all blacks. - aa Bb CC or Ccch DD or D_ EE or E_
If your buck had white or himilayan in his background you could get whites, and he could be a carrier from an ancestor not on his pedigree but the chance is slim to none.
Is there a "simple explanation" of all these genetic codes you post .... Its like reading a foreign language. About the only thing I understand is that .... I'll likely get all blacks. I really need to read the manual!
He's produced one other litter with a tri colored doe (white , fawn , opal?) only two of the kits survived one is a broken opal , the other opal.
The other kits didn't make it to growing much fur as the mother suffocated 10 of them staying in the nest box .... tho a couple of them looked to be chocolate or broken chocolate. (MSD said the nest box was too big - Ive corrected this for the next litter).
