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Easy Ears

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My friend may have a kit (about 5wks) with diarrhea. It must be pretty mild since she said it has been going on for about 6 days.... :? (I am now confirming whether or not is it just cecotropes.)

If it is diarrhea, what should she do?

Raspberry leaves
Strawberry leaves
Dandelions?
Pedialyte? (or does this start bowel movements?....thus making it worse? Don't remember....I've given it to kits with boat before.)
 
Prognosis for a 5 week old kit with diarrhea is actually rather poor.
There is really no such thing as mild diahrea at that age. Enteritis can actually kill before there are even visible symptoms, so 6 days into it is very scary.

:( I'm sorry if it doesn't make it.

My opinion on your suggestions:

Raspberry strawberry, blackberry or rose leaves can help, along with plantain (greater or lanceleaf tend to be the most common) are all great choices.

No dandelion, unless the kits is also refusing feed.
Old fashioned oatmeal and hay are good, for both kinds of fiber to bulk up stool.

Pedialyte for sure, since dehydration is a killer. Anything that STOPS bowel movements can cause (fatal) gi stasis in rabbits, so yeah, you want it to keep pooping.
 
Just a few days ago my 4 week old got diarrhea, I immediately took him in (first of all they need to be warm), clean his behind and put him in a box with hay. I gathered the plants that should be helpful like plantain, different berry leaves etc. but he wasn`t impressed. At that time I didn`t knew if he just don`t like the stuff or he stopped eating so I went to pick up different yummy stuff. Didn˛t know that dandelion is not good (why not, Zass?), so he got that, but he loooooved Achillea millefolium, known commonly as yarrow I believe. Also, I mixed homemade electrolyte solution and gave him as much as he would drink every hour. In a matter of hours he was pooping like he was supposed to, eating hay and yarrow, drinking more and more, so by the evening I put him back with his family. After a few days he is still Ok and so is everyone else, but I forgot to label him when I put him back. Now, I don`t know which one was the sick one because all are the same colour, and I am keeping a few of them :?
 
Yarrow would be really good stuff for diahrea!!! Good idea Nika. It's so often overlooked because it's a bit less common on lawns, I think, but definitely good to use if you have it.

I suggested skipping the dandelions because they are not high enough in astringent tannins to be of much help with diahrea, and fresh greens can be problematic to kits that are not accustomed to them
 
:x She sent me a picture:

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Diarrhea?
 
Definitely not normal poop. Colour and consistency are both wrong and it looks like there is mucous there too. The kit at 5 weeks old is likely suffering from weaning enteritis. I would suggest taking away the pelleted feed and giving him hay (grass hay, not alfalfa), old fashioned kitchen oatmeal and the leaves of the plants we discussed earlier in the thread. Later, if the kit recovers, pellets can be gradually added back into the rabbit's diet
 
MaggieJ":1iejkqaq said:
I would suggest taking away the pelleted feed and giving him hay (grass hay, not alfalfa), old fashioned kitchen oatmeal and the leaves of the plants we discussed earlier in the thread. Later, if the kit recovers, pellets can be gradually added back into the rabbit's diet

That is the weird part. According to my friend, she is "force nursing" twice daily and hasn't even started weaning them. They are only getting mothers milk, and water right now. :shock:

Oh, and how much Pedialyte is safe to give a kit of that age?
 
That is mucoid enteritis for sure, often called weaning enteritis, but it really doesn't seem to have as much to do with weaning as it does the gi changes that kits are making around that age.
That is the age when kits are the most susceptible to anything and everything that can cause enteritis.

Kits start eating hay right in the nestbox, and take their first nibbles of pellets just about as soon as they can physically get to them.

5 week old kits will be willing and able to access their mother's food under any normal circumstances.

By force nursing...do you mean the kits are being kept separate from their mother, and are not being offered any solid foods at all???

If that is the case, than she needs to get those babies oatmeal and hay right away, along with some of their dam's (or another healthy rabbit's) cecotropes to help build up the necessary gi bacteria for digesting solid foods. Benebac is an acceptable substitute, but I prefer cecotropes because they should have all the right bacteria to digest what the rest of her rabbits are eating. The kits should eat them willingly if they are not too sick to eat.

How much pedialyte they need or can safely be given will depend on how hydrated or dehydrated the kits are. If they are drinking on their own, just mixing a bit in their water bottle or dish should be sufficient to help replace electrolytes.

Since there is already mucous, she really is at a high risk for losing the kit. No matter what is attempted. It's possible that an experienced breeder or even a veterinarian might not be able to save it now.

Hopefully she isn't too discouraged if it doesn't make it.

From medi rabbit:

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/GI_disease ... tis_en.htm

Mucoid diarrhea is sometimes observed in growing rabbits and nursing does. The watery feces are mixed with mucus, a translucent and gelatinous substance. This particular type of enteritis has various causes, including bacterial overgrowth or nutritional deficiencies (lack of water and food low in fiber).


Treatment

As the disease develops very rapidly, treatment of bacterial enteritis often comes too late. Antibiotics and sulfonamide drugs will help prevent the growth of pathogen bacteria. Anti-diarrhea product can help stop the diarrhea, e.g. Hylak, a concentrate of lactic ferments. The administration of cholestyramine will bind toxins released by pathogen bacteria. Probiotic powders or paste, although controversial, will help the growth of the endemic healthy bacterial flora.

If the rabbit is dehydrates, subcutaneous fluids should be given. If the rabbit refuses to eat, it must be forced food, using a syringe.

In the case of yeast overgrowth, this can be treated by reduced the carbohydrates sources in the diet, or with nystatin.
 
After 3 weeks old the kits cannot get enough nutrition on a milk only diet and must start eating solid foods - I agree that your friend should offer hay and oats (or plain oatmeal) and a bowl of pellets to these 5 week old kits
 
Easy Ears, if your friend doesn't do something quickly, she is going to lose that kit. Zass and Dood have given excellent advice.

Maybe your friend should join RabbitTalk so she can learn directly how to take care of her rabbits.
 
I have a 7 week old kit which have yellowish fur around the anus. I thought it was just pee but it's smaller than the litter mate and I often found dried poop stuck to its anus. It doesn't seem to be eating or drinking and refuse water I drip in its mouth. I felt its stomach and it felt like strings of fecal matter. It's hard and won't break up. Is it stasis?
 
Hi all, I am the friend Easy Ears is talking about.

Thank you so much to everyone that replied!
I am doing everything you suggested. Hopefully Zoe will get better and I will never have to deal with this again..
She seems to be doing better already with what was suggested, but I don't want to jinx it.
 
Easy Ears":25fdl1na said:
That is the weird part. According to my friend, she is "force nursing" twice daily and hasn't even started weaning them. They are only getting mothers milk, and water right now. :shock: ?

Petlover500, can you explain this please?
 
Nika":26q5wgni said:
Easy Ears":26q5wgni said:
That is the weird part. According to my friend, she is "force nursing" twice daily and hasn't even started weaning them. They are only getting mothers milk, and water right now. :shock: ?

Petlover500, can you explain this please?
This was a surprise litter, so I didn't really know what I was doing. I adopted the doe not knowing she was pregnant.
I rushed to dig up information, some of it being right, some of it being wrong. I email Easy Ears, as she is a friend of mine in real life. She explained some things to me, and I thought I understood, but I misunderstood her. I dont remember exactly how she said it, but I heard to start the kits on their pelleted food on week six. But she actually meant that they should already be transitioned by then.
I was force feeding for the first 2 and a half weeks. As in I was holding the doe (Daisy) down so the kits could eat, as this was believed to be her first time having a litter and she wasn't taking care of them without my help. The weeks after that Daisy started letting them nurse on their own without me holding her down.
They are now weaned, and on pelleted food and grass hay as well. They all are getting raspberry and strawberry leaves, plenty of water, and pedialyte (especially Zoe, the sick kit).

I looked at all of their bums today, and Zoe seemed to be doing better and there were no signs of the other kits having it.
 
Ah, so are quite new to the great experience and learning curve that rabbits are, welcome on the track :)

Some of the things I learned (I'm now just 4 years into rabbits):
Trust them. Their instincts normally are pretty good.
They are prey animals, they will care for the kits once or twice per day for a few minutes, when the feel unwatched. Sometimes you'll never notice. Then they block the entrance to the nest (when possible) and stay away. Only way for me to see if the kits get fed is to look at their tummies.
The kits will eat whatever the doe eats by themself as soon as they are old enough. Starts after opening eyes and leaving the nest (although you wouldn't notice at first) with about 2-3 weeks.
Don't believe everything you read on the net. There is too much info, often contradicting, and also some plainly wrong. Too much is just repeated without understanding, private homepages sometimes are just randomly accumulated "web wisdom" or personal preferences.
This forum here is by far the best I know, lots of people who really understand these animals.
 
Yup, I am defiantly learning!

Well I knew the kits weren't being fed because the mom didn't pull fur or make a nest with the stuff I gave her. When the kits arrived she didn't do anything. I read that rabbits usually only care for their kits once or twice a day, either early morning or late in the night. I left the kits alone with their mom for 1 night and 1 day, and their tummies were very sunken in. That is when I decided to force feed. :)
 
Nika":27c7yt8f said:
Easy Ears":27c7yt8f said:
That is the weird part. According to my friend, she is "force nursing" twice daily and hasn't even started weaning them. They are only getting mothers milk, and water right now. :shock: ?

Petlover500, can you explain this please?

I do believe some of this is my fault! I was so concerned with getting the point across that she take treats VERY slowly (due to the fact 4 out of 5 kits in my first litter died because of bloat that I believe was caused by too much of certain foods) And knowing how much Petlover likes to give her (spoiled :D ) buns treats I didn't want her to have the same problem. I did not however, specify the kits were supposed to be on pellets as soon as they were old enough to eat it. It was a simple fact to me, but everyone must learn it at some point, and I just assumed she knew. I suppose the logic you can use to remember in most cases is the mother usually stays with the kits so once they are old enough to climb out of the nest and start drinking and eating they will begin to munch on her food. Since PL’s doe was kept separate from the kits (in the case she was force nursing) they didn’t have this opportunity, and she was left unaware. Sorry Petlover! :eek:
 
Zoe looks completely better today! Her bum was dry and clean, and I didn't see any more signs of her enteritis anywhere! :D

You guys are truly life savers ;)
 
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