Ivermectin question

[jbrabston]

Can you treat pregnant does with Ivermectin for ear mites?

 

[Miss M]

Yes, you can. I treated our first doe when she was pregnant.

I had started treating her with diatomaceous earth, but treatment was going to go beyond kindling time. I was afraid of what the DE might do to the kits' lungs (it can definitely be bad to breathe it), so I started treating with Ivermectin. It was for fur mites, though.

Have you tried a few drops of mineral oil in her ears? You put it in a little above the base of her ear, and gently massage the ear together to spread it. It will finish moving around on its own. It smothers the mites. If the ear mites aren't bad yet, that's what I'd try first. You apply it I think every day or two for a little while, can't remember the specifics.

 

[Mary Ann's Rabbitry]

Can you treat pregnant does with Ivermectin for ear mites?

You can,but you have to weigh her first . If you over dose. The babies will be born dead.

 

[Devon's Mom Lauren]

What breed is the doe... Dutch are very sensitive to it and will die. ANY rabbit with a broken pattern or white feet *MAY* succumb as well. Dutch have a gene mutation that allows the drug to cross the blood/brain barrier, much like some breeds of dogs. Deaths have also been noted in Cattle and horses as well, presumably ones with the 'broken" or "Irish" pattern. Luckily in dogs one can get a genetic test to check for this mutation. As for a pregnant doe it may matter at what stage of gestation she is at or it may not.. I would try the oil in the ears first, or perhaps you could add a few drops of Tea Tree oil into it as well which would hopefully smother/repel the ear mites without going through her system.

Ivermectin is so potent I have heard of dogs that became blind from eating the poop of horses that had been treated!!

 

[ottersatin]

Can you treat pregnant does with Ivermectin for ear mites?

Yes you can, and I have never heard of the fact that A Dutch rabbit would Die
if Ivermectine was administered to it. I do not inject my Rabbits,
I use Ivermectine/Zimectrine Horse Past wormer. A droplet the size of a Green-Pea.
I have never had a problem with it's use not even with a double dose,and it works well.
Use a tongue depressor or Popsicle stick to wipe the paste onto the Rabbits
paws and lips, they will lick it off as they like the taste.
Ottersatin.

 

[MamaSheepdog]

Ivermectin is so potent I have heard of dogs that became blind from eating the poop of horses that had been treated!!

Whoa, that's scary! I'll have to check our horse wormers- we have an Aussie and they are one of the breeds that can't be given Ivermectin... and he has the Irish pattern.

 

[Cindi Davis]

I could spend all day on here learning. You all are wonderful Just wanted to say thank you

 

[Miss M]

I had forgotten that about Dutch! I remember somebody lost a bunch of rabbits when they treated with Ivermectin, because they were all Dutch and the owner didn't know.

 

[Mary Ann's Rabbitry]

i NEVER USE the injectable kind. To strong...I use the pour on. It is half the strengh and even still you have to weight the rabbit.

 

[skysthelimit]

I use the injectable kind, but I drop it in the dog's food once every two months or when I can remember. I haven't used it on my buns yet. I keep all sorts of oils, so that's the way I'd go.

 

[MaggieJ]

I never use any medication if there is a simple home remedy that will do the trick. I'm all for trying mineral or olive oil in the rabbit's ears first. In most cases, it will work just fine... with no risk to the kits. Just my preference... low-tech, natural and easily available. Oh, yeah, and cheap.

 

[Diamond]

So far I have been successful worming my rabbits with a titrated feed-through pelletized wormer called "positive pellet" formulated for goats; the prime ingredient is morantel tartrate; here is an eveidence-based article refering to studies done with pregnat rabbits and this drug, see paragraph # 11 on page 3. I have not attempted to worm my pregnat does. I do withold all feed for 24 hours before feeding the Positive Pellet wormer, fore the sole purpose of ensuring the rabbits do eat the whole dose. Having a calculator and good scale will help with the dose conversions.

http://www.emea.europa.eu/docs/en_GB/do ... 015106.pdf


I've had horses for years and never heard of the "Irish Pattern" and associated deaths from ivermectin based on color genetics in horses, I would like to read the evidence-based literature regarding this issue if it is readily available. The only death-related incidents I have heard of in association to ivermectin is overdose from injectable ivermectin due to overdose from miscalculating the wight-to-Ml/cc ratio. I can see how it may be problematic for dogs eating stool due to the large dose given to a horse.

 

[rittert3]

I use ivomec sheep drench given oraly, also all my rabbits are broken or mostly white and I havn't had any problems. I know alot of raisers that use beef injectable given oraly with no issues. Also I gave it to 2 bred does and both had big healthy litters.

 

[MamaSheepdog]

I've had horses for years and never heard of the "Irish Pattern" and associated deaths from ivermectin based on color genetics in horses, I would like to read the evidence-based literature regarding this issue if it is readily available.

I haven't heard of ivermectin sensitivity in horses, but here is a link on the topic relating to dogs:

http://www.ashgi.org/articles/mdr1.htm

Rabbittalk post:

topic4634.html

Survey by OP of RT post on another forum:

http://s4.zetaboards.com/Rabbit_Addict/topic/9129624/1/

 

[avdpas77]

I think Ivomec is a great drug, but like many drugs using it when it is not needed often leads to the offending organism developing immunity, which hurts all stock breeders. This can easily be seen with many of the antibiotics. Would these organisms still develop an immunity? Sure, but they likely would have taken much longer to do so. Both people and animals are having problems medicating for diseases which were once easily cured by antibiotics. Laws are being passed that will cause people to have to get prescriptions from a veterinarian because of indiscriminate use in the past. Ivomec is great for certain worm and other parasites, but why use it when a bit of mineral oil will work. If it is a severe infestation of mites, a pinch of 5% Sevin, rolled between the thumb and index finger and sprinkled into the ear will completely eradicate them. While Ivomec is a "fairly" safe drug, Sevin is much much safer.

 

[rittert3]

will poultry dust work in place of sevin? I agree there I use ivomec sparingly.

 

[Devon's Mom Lauren]

OK! first off We were the ones that lost the Dutch.We posted here about it right away and on rabbit Addict where my daughter Devon is a moderator. After this happened I went online and had to dig deep to find ANY info, after all ivermectin is a widely used drug for a lot of animals... imagine the "economic impact" to the company (of course), if this is a widely known issue!I wish now I had compiled a list of all the links I went through, but I started with Merck and medirabbit I believe. So right off the bat I am speaking of FIRST-HAND knowledge, so please Denis and those "who haven't heard of this" rest assured it is entirely true. I will also say that implying we "overdosed" is also inaccurate in our case. The culprit here is a GENE MUTATION and the term "irish marked" or white feet or broken pattern in relation to this *MAY* imply ivermectin sensitivity. We did not use a double dose as Denis claimed he has done in the past, so that is obviously not the problem here. In dogs a lot of the herding breeds like Australian Shepherds etc have the sensitivity but please realize that not ALL have it!It is estimated that about 60% of the breed population actually do carry the mutated genes that allow this drug to cross the blood brain barrier. In cattle dogs and horses the end result is not always death but blindness, depression etc. Unfortunatly is also affects kidney and liver function sometimes which if it doesn't kill the rabbit within 24 hours will result in its death in the following weeks. We experienced both these cases ourselves. Fortunately for dog owners there is a genetic test to determine this sensitivity issue, if one wishes to use the drug. The loss of our rabbits was very devastating to us and the fact that a lot of people are entirely disbelieving from various groups (including the feed store where we got it) has got me totally at a loss! I would also like to mention that i would never ever had said something like this if I didn't know it to be true for a fact! Please remember that there is a lot under the sun that we do not know... and just because one hasn't "heard" this before doesn't make it less true!

 

[rittert3]

Thank you for your clarification

 

[Cindi Davis]

I'm going to try the ivermection on my doe with the fur mites hopefully it will help her. IF she aborts or doesnt have kits we can try again later I just want her to get healthy

 

[Mary Ann's Rabbitry]

OK! first off We were the ones that lost the Dutch.We posted here about it right away and on rabbit Addict where my daughter Devon is a moderator. After this happened I went online and had to dig deep to find ANY info, after all ivermectin is a widely used drug for a lot of animals... imagine the "economic impact" to the company (of course), if this is a widely known issue!I wish now I had compiled a list of all the links I went through, but I started with Merck and medirabbit I believe. So right off the bat I am speaking of FIRST-HAND knowledge, so please Denis and those "who haven't heard of this" rest assured it is entirely true. I will also say that implying we "overdosed" is also inaccurate in our case. The culprit here is a GENE MUTATION and the term "irish marked" or white feet or broken pattern in relation to this *MAY* imply ivermectin sensitivity. We did not use a double dose as Denis claimed he has done in the past, so that is obviously not the problem here. In dogs a lot of the herding breeds like Australian Shepherds etc have the sensitivity but please realize that not ALL have it!It is estimated that about 60% of the breed population actually do carry the mutated genes that allow this drug to cross the blood brain barrier. In cattle dogs and horses the end result is not always death but blindness, depression etc. Unfortunatly is also affects kidney and liver function sometimes which if it doesn't kill the rabbit within 24 hours will result in its death in the following weeks. We experienced both these cases ourselves. Fortunately for dog owners there is a genetic test to determine this sensitivity issue, if one wishes to use the drug. The loss of our rabbits was very devastating to us and the fact that a lot of people are entirely disbelieving from various groups (including the feed store where we got it) has got me totally at a loss! I would also like to mention that i would never ever had said something like this if I didn't know it to be true for a fact! Please remember that there is a lot under the sun that we do not know... and just because one hasn't "heard" this before doesn't make it less true!

So are you saying it can happen to a broken gene too?