Is vinyl coated wire safe?

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Pepperoni

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Typically I wouldn't consider vinyl coated wire because I'm not willing to pay for something that the rabbits might chew up. However, my dad has a couple rolls of vinyl coated wire that's just been sitting around forever and he asked if I wanted it. I don't think I want to make permanent housing with it, but thought I'd try to make some travel carriers. It's 2" x 2" I think, so it obviously won't be used for the floor. The price is right, so I might as well try it out... unless of course it's going to be dangerous for the buns.

My question is, how safe is it? Will rabbits get sick or injured if they chew or ingest any of the vinyl?
 
I have a big cage made with 1/2 in by 1/2 in vinyl coated hardware cloth. The gauge is still too small for rabbits IMO, but it's a bit nicer on their feet then ordinary hardware cloth, and it's held up for years. I usually just house bucks in there, since the numerous supports (that were necessary) are made of wood and would get too messy with kits. It's not caused me any troubles, but, it would definitely not be a first choice.
 
Zinnia":3n4uipqn said:
IMO, no. I've had bad experiences with it in rabbits and humans. Is there a reason you would choose it?

Because it's free :lol:

What kind of "bad experience"?
 
I have seen vinyl coated transport carriers at shows, and I must admit... I... I covet them. :oops:

If the rabbits do chew on it and ingest any small bits, the vinyl will just pass right through their system, so that is not any cause for concern.
 
MamaSheepdog":2xchs5tj said:
I have seen vinyl coated transport carriers at shows, and I must admit... I... I covet them. :oops:

If the rabbits do chew on it and ingest any small bits, the vinyl will just pass right through their system, so that is not any cause for concern.

Except that vinyl is toxic. Vinyl chloride, the chemical used to make PVC, is a known human carcinogen, according to the World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on Cancer.
 
Zinnia":1tes6vs0 said:
Is there a reason you would choose it?

Pepperoni":1tes6vs0 said:
my dad has a couple rolls of vinyl coated wire that's just been sitting around forever and he asked if I wanted it. I don't think I want to make permanent housing with it, but thought I'd try to make some travel carriers. It's 2" x 2" I think, so it obviously won't be used for the floor. The price is right, so I might as well try it out... unless of course it's going to be dangerous for the buns.
 
It is suspected to cause birth defects and neurological problems. I wouldn't use it for an animal as prone to nibble as a rabbit. Not everyone will associate problems that occur with the vinyl ingested. But... it isn't edible, to say the least.
 
Not everyone will associate problems that occur with the vinyl ingested.

In my case, the bucks I've put in there just don't seem to ingest it, and I don't really have reproductive issues or birth defects in my (meat) herd to worry about.
(The velveteens were another story, but vinyl was never a component of any cage, carrier, or pen they inhabited.)

I do know what you mean. You had some pretty serious problems with an entire line stemming from a doe that was ingesting vinyl, didn't you?
 
Zass":1x0r4odu said:
Not everyone will associate problems that occur with the vinyl ingested.

In my case, the bucks I've put in there just don't seem to ingest it, and I don't really have reproductive issues or birth defects in my (meat) herd to worry about.
(The velveteens were another story, but vinyl was never a component of any cage, carrier, or pen they inhabited.)

I do know what you mean. You had some pretty serious problems with an entire line stemming from a doe that was ingesting vinyl, didn't you?
Yes, I did. I think if a rabbit would not eat it, I wouldn't see it being a threat.
 
BASS sells vinyl coated wire- I checked because I wanted to see if they might coat it with some other type of "plastic"... anyway, here is what I found on the dangers of vinyl:

What is polyvinyl chloride (PVC, vinyl)?

Polyvinyl chloride (PVC or vinyl) can be manufactured to be either rigid or flexible and is identified with the number 3. When flexible, PVC is used for medical bags, shower curtains, shrink wrap, and deli and meat wrap. The rigid PVC comprises 70% of all manufactured PVC. This is used to make construction materials such as pipe, siding, window frames, railing, fencing, and decking. PVC has been said to have had a major impact on improving life around the world.

However, there are claims that PVC poses serious environmental health threats. According to the Center for Health, Environment, and Justice, the production of PVC requires chemicals like the "highly polluting chlorine," the "cancer-causing" vinyl chloride monomer (VCM), and ethylene dichloride (EDC). They also claim that PVC plastic requires large amounts of toxic additives to make it stable and usable. These additives are released during use and disposal, resulting in "elevated human exposures to phthalates, lead, cadmium, tin, and other toxic chemicals." In 2000, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) proposed national standards to limit air toxic emissions from polyvinyl chloride production plants.

The FDA acknowledges that the building block of PVC, vinyl chloride, is a human carcinogen. They conclude that the amount contained in the PVC food packaging is within safe limits. In 2002, the FDA recommended that a specific compound used as a plasticizer in PVC either be labeled or removed from the medical bags in which it was being used. This compound, DEHP, had shown some toxic and carcinogenic effects in lab animals, but the effects on humans were unknown. The invasive medical procedures in which this was being used may have exposed people to DEHP levels that would exceed the amount determined to be safe in humans.

http://www.medicinenet.com/plastic/page3.htm

Our water is plumbed with PVC from the well to our house and yard (copper piping in the house) so both the humans and the rabbits have constant exposure to whatever is leaching from the pipes. I would think that the cumulative effect of that would have a greater impact than exposure to coated wire.
 
The softer vinyl (as for coated wire, shower curtains, etc.) is not the same as the PVC in pipes and such. I will have to see if I can find any information on it... But, the softer plastics are often the more dangerous ones.

IMO, ill effects come from the vinyl being exposed to stress... heat, mold, urine, stomach acid... Testing safety of vinyl likely doesn't include the changes it will go through in use. For example, mold growing on vinyl has been reported to have profoundly more ill effects than mold growing on a natural substance. And this stands to reason. Vinyl shower curtains are notoriously bad. Mold, heat, soft vinyl... it's all there. And, I personally do not trust what the FDA deems safe exposure.

This is my opinion. And it comes from personal experience as well. The canary I am because of adrenal problems allows me to sense toxins quickly. The act of opening a new vinyl item has resulted in facial numbness, dizziness, weakness and difficulty walking and talking. I am not alone, however I really do understand how people see it as safe if they have not experienced it firsthand.

Here are some others that recognize the dangers http://safemarkets.org/toxic-chemicals- ... on-plastic
 
I guess I don't know how to tell the difference between soft and hard PVC? Like I said, these rolls have been around for a couple of years, so the labels are long gone. My dad originally used it to make a pen for their dogs and it has held up very well over 6 or 7 years, complete with harsh and snowy Minnesota winters. Of course, the dogs don't chew it, and they're rarely in there anyway.
 
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