HELP! Pasturella?

[lissapell]

My poor doe sneezed today and snot came flying out of her nose! My hubs says look up kennel cough but she isnt coughing. all the info on here on Pasturella has me worried. I put her in a cage and brought her inside to separate her from the others.
What do u think it is?

 

[Secuono]

P.

 

[AmysMacdog]

Its very likely to be pasturella. Did you disinfect where she was?

 

[Mary Ann's Rabbitry]

Ya , it is sorry. THe best thing to do to protect your other rabbits is to cull her.,,

 

[lissapell]

so, I know it is really not treatable so she isnt going back out to my herd but my baby brother is balling so my mom wants to take her home and "treat" her. What should I look for as far as antibiotics go?

 

[Secuono]

It might go away on it's own, just need to keep stress to near zero the rest of her life. Penicillin may help a bit with symptoms.

 

[lissapell]

what would the dosage be? she is 8 pounds

 

[AmysMacdog]

I had a doe that I did keep one time years (in the 80's) and I kept and treated her with limited success. I kept mine by herself but yours will have to be permanatly moved away from your rabbits. Some people are having some success treating it but you don't want the germs being carried on people clothes back to your rabbits. Sad situation. I'm sorry.

 

[lissapell]

I wont be keeping her but my baby brother who is 8, wants to "save" her. My mom lets him do these things b/c he hopes to be a vet.
I dont want the chance of her killing all my stock.

 

[OneAcreFarm]

Lisa,

Read this document...

View attachment Alfred Mina Pasteurella.docx

Have your baby brother read it as well. It is by a rabbit savvy vet. If he still chooses to try to treat, understand that it will be LONG TERM antibiotic therapy. The two drugs of choice are:

Enrofloxacin (200 mg/L of drinking water for 14 days or 5-10 mg/kg parenteral, twice a day for 14 days) is effective for upper respiratory P multocida infections. Tilmicosin (25 mg/kg, SC) has been reported as an effective treatment for pasteurellosis.

 

[MamaSheepdog]

I wont be keeping her but my baby brother who is 8, wants to "save" her. My mom lets him do these things b/c he hopes to be a vet.
I dont want the chance of her killing all my stock.

Since Pasteurella often contributes to rabbits developing pneumonia and other secondary illnesses, the lesson he learns may be that in some cases treatment is not the kindest course.

what would the dosage be? she is 8 pounds

Treatment is difficult and may not eradicate the organism. Antibiotics seem to provide only temporary remission, and the next stress (eg, kindling) may cause relapse. Enrofloxacin (200 mg/L of drinking water for 14 days or 5-10 mg/kg parenteral, bid for 14 days) is effective for upper respiratory P multocida infections. Tilmicosin (25 mg/kg, SC) has been reported as an effective treatment for pasteurellosis. Procaine penicillin (60,000 IU/kg for 10 days) was recommended for indiviual rabbits, but its use should be cautioned as deaths from enterotoxemia often follow penicillin administration.


http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index ... 171317.htm

 

[lissapell]

I am reading about it progressing into pneumiona. YIKES! I dont know if I will let her go after all. I certainly dont want her to suffer needlessly. I will do as the doc suggests and watch her for a few days and see how she does.

She had her nose in the feed dish when I dropped in her grains. *Maybe* although I doubt it, she was just breathing in the dust from the feed. Doesnt explain the snot tho... Boy it sucks to pay for breeding stock them watch them get sick.<br /><br />__________ Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:41 pm __________<br /><br />??? Would you be concerned about getting replacement stock from the same place she came from?

 

[OneAcreFarm]

If you want, read thru these threads from my own pasteurella incident...you might find it helpful.

cupcake-and-sneezing-t3298.html

aaacckkk-what-did-i-do-t3321.html

herd-update-for-today-t3329.html

well-snot-t3412.html

treating-pasteurella-infected-does-prior-to-kindling-t3482.html

well-we-finally-did-it-t3579.html

6-week-pics-of-the-bunnicles-pic-heavy-t3657.html

first-sneezer-of-the-bunch-t3808.html

 

[lissapell]

another question....If this has infected my other stock how long would it take before I know?
At evening feeding her entire mouth/nose area was snotty and her paws were getting crusty.

 

[3mina]

I can't give any specific time frame but if this doe has been with yours for any length of time I'd watch them very closely. I got very lucky a couple of weeks ago, I was given a trio for meat and I kept them away from mine comepletely, I only noticed the snot and matted paws when I picked up the first one to dispatch it.

 

[ottersatin]

My poor doe sneezed today and snot came flying out of her nose! My hubs says look up kennel cough but she isnt coughing. all the info on here on Pasturella has me worried. I put her in a cage and brought her inside to separate her from the others.
What do u think it is?

My answer is: It's a DEATH sentence!
I would not risk the health/welfare of the entire herd for one or two Rabbits.
If your Brother wants to become a "Good Vet", he'd best start learning from the start
that there are just a few diseases that are not treatable and one should not waste
their time, money or cage space trying to do the impossible.
I know that may sound a bit harsh to a few but I have been there and done that.
The price I paid was the loss of one third to half of my herd.
Since then I went to breeding toward disease resistance. It works!
As always, JMPO.
Ottersatin. ldtimer:

 

[DarayTala]

I just culled four rabbits with pastuerella. Two of them had a little bit of snot and sneezing, one had a lot, one had none. The one with a lot had organs in bad, but not terrible shape. The ones with just sneezing but not much snot both had organs in terrible shape, they're lungs where clearly barely functional and they likely were in a lot of pain. The one not showing symptoms who we culled anyway (they were all in a colony together) looked to also be in just as bad shape internally. I learned a lot from this, I thought the ones with fewer symptoms were doing okay and took longer to cull them, when I did though I realized they had clearly been suffering for a while. You have to balance the desire to hold on to a creature you love with the humane thing to do. Without a necropsy you really don't know if your rabbit is in no pain, or severe pain, and are you willing to take the risk. My partner was very attached to my colony bunnies specifically and it led to me trying harder to give them a chance, which I regretted after realizing I caused them more suffering. I'm not saying every case is like that, I'm sure it isn't, but be aware that you can't save them all and it can cause more harm to try.