got some Netherlands besides chestnuts! Color help?

[ipoGSD]

Ok lets see if i got these right lol this is a litter of 3 Netherlands

Im guessing chinchilla or some kind of steel?
https://imgur.com/a/3VCuotL with flash
https://imgur.com/a/V4eMhFx without flash

This one im a little stumped on, my first guess is opal or lynx otter?
https://imgur.com/a/1aeoC5e with flash
https://imgur.com/a/ZYp8SOr without flash

The 3 of them
https://imgur.com/a/FgX7wFp with flash
https://imgur.com/a/O7gJwAr without flash

I know the other is a chestnut. I am so sick of chestnuts lmao these 2 babies above are the FIRST Netherlands of some kind of color besides chestnuts. (This is a daughter back to dad breeding)

Oh and if anyone remembers my post about kitty, the chestnut doe who lost her whole litter the first time. This is her second litter and they are doing great! It was a litter of 4 but we lost one at birth. <br /><br /> __________ Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:30 am __________ <br /><br /> Oh dad to this litter is Midas, a lilac smoke pearl chin. The colors in his pedigree are; lilac, lynx, chocolate, lilac silver marten and cinnamon.

Mom is Kitty. She is a chestnut. Her dad is Midas. Kitty's mom is a black otter (not sure what colors mom carries)

 

[SableSteel]

First one: either chinchilla or sable chinchilla/sable agouti
Second one: squirrel or smoke pearl chinchilla/ smoke pearl agouti / blue sable agouti depending on how you call it. Will probably pass show wise as squirrel either way.

 

[ipoGSD]

Sable, ty so much. You always help me with colors. If it were up to me id be like.. uh light grey and darker grey hahaha


I am definitely keeping these 2 kits for future breeders. Tho i have been looking for a nice broken to add some kind of extra color (white lol) Its so hard to find quality netherlands in the colors/markings im looking for. <br /><br /> __________ Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:32 pm __________ <br /><br /> So wait.. the second one..is it an otter or no? Looks otter to me.. lol but wow i truly suck with colors