Does gold tipped steel come in blue?

[GBov]

My gold tipped steel bucks last litter contained two blue kits. They have been growing out nicely but are a very odd color now that they are getting a bit older.

Its like sun bleached blue or a fine gold mist over the base color.

Can gold tips go over blue? All the ones I have had before him have a black base to the gold.

I was going to sell them as NZ blue but, having looked at them closely, they might just get culled instead.

 

[akane]

Should be possible. Not sure what some would look like but you should be able to put steel on any base coat color with an agouti gene.

 

[Zass]

Yes, you can get gold tipped chocolate and lilac steels too, I have a pic of a gold tipped blue steel here somewhere...

and a blue steel pelt off the rabbit

Like all steels it varies in the amount of ticking though, and the ticking can be harder to see against the lighter colors.
Some have bellies that look almost all blue
So...you could see anything from "almost an opal" to "almost a self blue"

 

[GBov]

I am SO GLAD I didn't sell them as blue!

Gold tipped blue they are then.

As they are already 3 months old I might keep them an extra two months for their hide to be worth keeping.

They are pretty but NOT what I want. That is why their daddy went into the stock pot, his kits were nice but not always what I wanted.

I love you guys, you always have the answer I need! :thankyou:

 

[JessiL]

Check out this earlier thread about blue steels and opals. I have some blue steels pop up in my Americans from time to time. They are usually pretty easy to tell from the true blues, but I could see how you would be surprised if you weren't looking for them.

gold-tipped-blue-steel-or-opal-t19798.html

 

[GBov]

Thanks for the link, it was interesting reading.

I took lots of pictures but am still having a space issue in my computer and cant see them or work with them. :evil: But its a moot point anyway, culled them today along with 4 others that were not colors I wanted to keep.

Now have lots of fine fat rabbits chilling in the fridge and shall have a liver fry tomorrow.

If and when my pictures are available to post, I shall, just to see if I was right about what those two were. <br /><br /> __________ Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:50 am __________ <br /><br /> Have figured out that is what is odd with my two red does, same sire and a hidden steel doe = gold tipped red! :roll:

They are the last in my herd by him, wonder how they will taste?

 

[Dood]

Have figured out that is what is odd with my two red does, same sire and a hidden steel doe = gold tipped red!

That's not possible as red is non extension "ee" while steel is "Es_" hence any steel kit will look chestnut steel, or opal steel or lynx steel and not fawn/orange/red.

 

[GBov]

Huh, I wonder what they are then, they have a red coat with each hair tipped with gold/brown.

 

[Dood]

The non extension gene does not eliminate black in the fur, it just widens the middle band - which is normally red/orange/yellow (depending on Rufus)

If the fur is tipped in a "gold/brown" then perhaps they are chocolate fawns :shrug:

 

[GBov]

What ever they are, they are outa here! :lol:

With a move in our future I am thinning the herd down to just the animals I cant part with.

All the gold tipped steel bucks offspring are going either in the pot or to new owners, doesn't really matter which, its win win either way.

 

[Zass]

Huh, I wonder what they are then, they have a red coat with each hair tipped with gold/brown.

I'm wondering if perhaps your describing torts? It's also a non-extension color that can look pretty much like a red, but there is black tips to the fur especially on the face and ears. Less black and more red color might be a wideband tort. Pretty sure I saw one over the weekend. She looked a lot like a red but there was just a tiny bit of black smut on the ears and tail.

The only tort in my gallery is a really dark one (there is a lot of variation among torts)
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so I found this online

http://www.ephiny.net/tim/pedigrees/rab ... bit_id=532

Oh and one more of mine who is a broken tort, he's in on the left between a steel and a broken "red".
See the dark ear tips? That's the tort.

 

[Dood]

:up: Good call Zass :up:

Most of my torts are very dark so I forget they can come in more reddish varieties as well and wideband torts are even redder :mrgreen:

 

[GBov]

I will have a good look at them tomorrow when I get over pig pen building and pig moving.

Had all 5 pigs almost to the new pen when the neighbor kids came belting round the corner.........

Ever heard pigs bark?

Mine barked, stuck their tails straight up and "hightailed" it for their old pen!

Que another 40 min to coax them back out and all the way to their new, dry, pen. :roll:

Tort eh? I think you are right. Will tort produce true reds if crossed with a red buck?

 

[Zass]

yes, they will. Especially if they have wideband.
A tort is non-extension on a self black coat. ( red is non-extension on a agouti coat)
Neither one can carry any steel genes at all. They would make reds who carry one copy of a self gene and maybe some more torts if crossed with a self carrying red.

Erm..maybe dood could explain this better ?