Deformed babies?

[MamaMandy]

My friend's American Fuzzy Lop delivered 3 stillborn babies today on day 30. One looked normal but 2 were very odd looking...very thin skin, bubble heads, deformed feet and tails, tiny ears, eyelids not fused. The father of the babies is my Holland buck who is proven and has not had any babies like this. Is this genetic? Or did the 2 deformed ones just not fully develop? This is the AFL's first litter. She pulled herself nearly bald and built a great nest, bless her heart. Should we try breeding her again and see what happens or is this definitely bound to repeat? Thanks in advance!

The pics are of the normal baby next to one of the deformed ones.

 

[Whipple]

Max factors?

 

[MamaMandy]

I thought of that...do max factors exist in all breeds or just dwarf breeds?

 

[jollysrabbits]

are you sure she is done giving birth, I would give her 1 more go around.

 

[Wyldrose]

What about peanuts? 2 dwarf genes? Those can be deformed too.

 

[MamaMandy]

My friend said there may be one more baby in her. I think we will give her a couple days to recover and try to re breed if there are no live babies. They don't look like any peanuts I've ever had here. Very different looking. They do kind of look like Max Factor babies. I didn't realize they existed in anything other than Netherlands though.

 

[jollysrabbits]

alright you got me, what the heck is a max factor? Is it something only for dwarfs, I have never heard the term.

 

[Teddy2511]

Here is a link to an article that explains what the max factor is, and how it shows itself:

http://rabbitinfocenter.8m.com/maxfactor.html

 

[MamaMandy]

After researching max factor some more I do believe that is what is going on. Thanks for all your help!

 

[Dood]

Should we try breeding her again and see what happens or is this definitely bound to repeat?

if you believe it to be max factor then it is genetic and both parents carry the gene.

Please do not breed either of these rabbits again as you will just be passing on the recessive mutation.

The father of the babies is my Holland buck who is proven

if it is the max factor gene then half of his offspring now carry it, is there any way you could to warn the owners of his kits? I would also inform the breeder you got your buck from that the gene is in their line.

 

[MamaMandy]

Dood, max factoring is actually a desired gene in dwarf breeds. It's like peanuts, its just part of breeding the dwarf breeds, unfortunately. A lot of the dwarf rabbits winning at the national level carry the max factor gene.

 

[Disney]

Dood, max factoring is actually a desired gene in dwarf breeds. It's like peanuts, its just part of breeding the dwarf breeds, unfortunately. A lot of the dwarf rabbits winning at the national level carry the max factor gene.

I've read something like that, the siblings or relatives to maxfactors have a better type than usual, which makes them succesful on the show table.

Weird how some thing work out..

 

[Teddy2511]

I had actually been researching the Max factor gene lately... And finally found out why it could be desirable in the dwarf breeds. Very interesting!

So is Max Factor a bad thing? It depends on how you look at it. It is said that the rabbits that carry the Max Factor gene along with the Dwarfing gene are typier than those that do not. Carriers of the gene will usually have a longer "tuft" of fur on the top of their head, which helps to make the ears appear shorter. Their fur will sometimes be softer and thicker in texture than those that do not carry the gene. And some have longer hair around the jowl area - which makes their head look larger and fuller. Now this isn't to say that a non-Max Factor rabbit isn't typey, but the gene does have it's perks.

 

[Dood]

Great!

Just when I though ND had completely degenerated into a malignant breed it reaches an all new low!

Just what the heck happend between 1980 and today to promote breeding these deformed animals?

Do people enjoy loosing their first or second or third litters, getting peanuts and max factors?

I just don't understand.

 

[Wyldrose]

Great!

Just when I though ND had completely degenerated into a malignant breed it reaches an all new low!

Just what the heck happend between 1980 and today to promote breeding these deformed animals?

Do people enjoy loosing their first or second or third litters, getting peanuts and max factors?

I just don't understand.

I agree 100%!!
Why would you allow something like that in your lines? Anything deformed pops up here guess what, they are culled asap! One of my hatchling cornsnakes has a slight kink in his tail. I will likely keep him as a pet only, don't want to risk anyone breeding him!

 

[coffeenutdesigns]

Great!


Just what the heck happend between 1980 and today to promote breeding these deformed animals?

Do people enjoy loosing their first or second or third litters, getting peanuts and max factors?

I just don't understand.

I have never understood why people would purposefully breed bad genetics. It just seems so unethical.