Curious about what these guys are...

[Desert Rose Rabbits]

I'm at a loss as to what Kitty's babies are, color-wise. All of them are various shades pinkish-orange to a sherberty-orange and they all have varying degrees of smuttiness on their noses. From what I've been able to see, there are no dark points on anywhere else. At birth, one (possibly 2) kit had a couple of brindle markings, but I haven't been able to find it since. Dam is a black/white magpie (supposedly Cali x Chin), Sire is a NZR. Tried to get pics today, not sure how successful I was... darn things wouldn't stop moving.

 

[ohiogoatgirl]

OOOHHHH I am super in love with that doe and buck!!! <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

as to the kits colors... i'd guess reds and some might have "smut" from very very faint harli/magpie genes? just my guess. good luck!

 

[Dood]

Are the black kits from the same litter?

They are orange (AKA fawn, although in some breeds fawn is officially a dilute of orange)

I wouldn't call them 'red' as they have white bellies and so lack two recessive wideband genes that would fill this in with colour. They are not as rich a red as their father since they only got a few Rufus modifiers to darken the colour. Rufus is a big no no in chinchilla, and magpie rabbits, so the mother likely has very few of them.

You should have gotten 50% harlequin in the litter. It may be that they are very faintly marked harlequins, try checking for any darker ribbons of colour on them.

Genetically and based on this litter only i would say ..
Red Buck = AA B_ CC D_ ee ww ++++
Magpie Dam = AA B_ cchd_ D_ eje WW
Kits AA B_ C_ D_ ee OR eje Ww ++

 

[Desert Rose Rabbits]

Are the black kits from the same litter?

They are orange (AKA fawn, although in some breeds fawn is officially a dilute of orange)

I wouldn't call them 'red' as they have white bellies and so lack two recessive wideband genes that would fill this in with colour. They are not as rich a red as their father since they only got a few Rufus modifiers to darken the colour. Rufus is a big no no in chinchilla, and magpie rabbits, so the mother likely has very few of them.

You should have gotten 50% harlequin in the litter. It may be that they are very faintly marked harlequins, try checking for any darker ribbons of colour on them.

Genetically and based on this litter only i would say ..
Red Buck = AA B_ CC D_ ee ww ++++
Magpie Dam = AA B_ cchd_ D_ eje WW
Kits AA B_ C_ D_ ee OR eje Ww ++

The black bun is from a different dam/sire. So far, every cross we've done between Kitty and Red as resulted in just orange/fawn with smutty noses. I'll have to take a good close look at them when I pull them for weights later this week and see if I can find any with brindling. Pretty darn positive I saw at least one with a band that cupped her behind, but that was the only one.

Just out of curiosity, while I love harlies, is there a trick to getting magpies?

 

[skysthelimit]

You need a second chinchilla gene for a Magpie,or a white.

__________ Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:39 pm __________

I am surprised that a Red NZ would not have a white gene, but if this is your only pairing (has he had other litters with a different dam) it could take several tries for it to pop up, as the percentage obeys the law of averages over time. Or he just may not have one.

__________ Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:56 pm __________

I ran Doods genetics through the calculator, and it seems there is a faint chance you could get some torts out of the equation. What an odd little thing but based on the codes that are obviously before us
ABCDe: Color: Orange/Fawn (rufus-mod) 21.09375%
ABcchdDe Color: Ermine Brown Eyes 10.546875%
_BCDe: Color: Tortoiseshell 7.03125%

 

[ohiogoatgirl]

so you'd have to keep back a buck from her litters to breed back to her to get harlis and magpies, etc?

 

[Desert Rose Rabbits]

so you'd have to keep back a buck from her litters to breed back to her to get harlis and magpies, etc?

Ditto on this question... would I need to keep back a buck?

The other option is my mini-rex buck who is a very lightly marked magpie.

You need a second chinchilla gene for a Magpie,or a white.

__________ Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:39 pm __________

I am surprised that a Red NZ would not have a white gene, but if this is your only pairing (has he had other litters with a different dam) it could take several tries for it to pop up, as the percentage obeys the law of averages over time. Or he just may not have one.

__________ Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:56 pm __________

I ran Doods genetics through the calculator, and it seems there is a faint chance you could get some torts out of the equation. What an odd little thing but based on the codes that are obviously before us
ABCDe: Color: Orange/Fawn (rufus-mod) 21.09375%
ABcchdDe Color: Ermine Brown Eyes 10.546875%
_BCDe: Color: Tortoiseshell 7.03125%

Orange/fawn is all he's had with us. The woman I bought him from used him with a broken black for a year and she says all she ever got were VERY light fawns, darker fawns/orange, and broken orange. I think she might have mentioned that she got a couple blacks, but 90% of everything born was some version of orange/fawn.

Out of curiosity, what's the difference between a tort, tri, and a harli?

 

[ohiogoatgirl]

tort- orange/fawn with dark points

tri- broken pattern (so mostly white) and fawn/blue or red/black, etc.. so it would be like a broken red with black spots in with the red..
I guess some colors go together and others you cant get together in a tri I heard..

harli- red and black. better ones are in like a checkerboard pattern. like left side face is red with a black ear, right side face is black with a red ear. then midsection is left side black, right side red. but is left side red, right side black.
and better ones the color split is right down the middle and all even, etc.