I thought I'd get some does bred today but the ND continue to frustrate me. Even the does who lift decided to cram themselves in the corner so their tail is lifted against the side. Acer tried for awhile and got Sui once but he gave up and just sat there thumping. I attempted to pull does in to the middle and hold them there but it didn't go well. How do I get these does out of the corners? I'm getting rather tired of the freaked out, panicky personalities of the ND does I can get my hands on. Do I have to go build a round breeding pen. :roll: I hope the lilac ermine has a better attitude when she matures. This may take much breeding for temperament.