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WildWolf

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OK, this is really concerning, and kind of embarrassing.

I have 3 SF's. One is in quarantine (we just got him) and I have a doe (a little over a year old) and a buck (19 weeks old). My doe is stunted, and my buck is small. They came from the same breeder, who has normal-sized SF, but different lines.

When I realized my doe was small (she is my first SF), we thought that it might just be her. We had heard that some SF lines abruptly produce stunted rabbits occasionally. I can feel bumps on her spine, but they aren't that spiky. Her fur is not as soft as my other SFs- could that be because she is very, very sun bleached? She used to be slightly underweight (spikey spine) but would that affect her fur now, after her spine is not spikey anymore? She weighs somewhere around 7lbs- she could be 7.5ish, or 7ish; she was really hard to weight because she can't fit directly over my scale (it's a tiny postage scale). Again, she is a little over a year old.

A few weeks ago I realized just how small my buck is, after visiting a rabbitry (different from the one where I got my doe and 1st buck) whose SF's were huge. My buck's fur is extremely soft, and extremely silver. His fur is really really soft and plushy. He might be a carrier for the wool gene; that wouldn't affect how soft his fur is, would it? His spine is not spikey at all, and I can feel the bumps. He weighs around 5.7lbs. He was really wriggly when I weighed him, so that might be off a little. Again, he is 19 weeks old.

They both are naturally fed; I feed them plantain, grass, white clover, wild violets, wild strawberry, and some other weeds, in addition to grain (doe gets wheat, oats, and BOSS since her fur is not that soft, and buck gets oats and wheat) and alfalfa hay cubes. I put tiny chunks of mineral licks in their grain, and they do not lick or anything that would suggest that they have a mineral deficiency. They both toss and nibble on the alfalfa cubes, but they don't eat many. Because of this, I was thinking that maybe they did not get enough protein? Is that possible, even though the buck's coat is super soft, and both their spines are not spikey?
The other thing that I was thinking: I feed them 2 weeds from my yard that are really abundant. I learned the name of the weeds a long time ago, but I've forgotten it now. I feed those weeds- both bunnies eat them just like any other forage food... maybe they are causing the problem? They are plant 1 and 3 on planrt-ids-t17110.html .

I'm going to buy alfalfa hay this weekend. It's hard to find non-compressed alfalfa hay around here, but I think I found a place an hour away. I'm also not going to feed my new buck those 2 weeds, until I figure out the name again. Also, I will hopefully be able to add barley to my doe and buck's grain feed. But I just don't understand how my buck's fur can be so soft, his spine perfectly bumpy, and he is underweight for a SF.
 
I read your post and don't see a thing to be embarrassed about, WW. Try not to be so hard on yourself. :)

It's my understanding that a natural diet will lead to slower weight gain. Keep an eye on them, and try the alfalfa hay. If their weight doesn't pick up, I might try worming them maybe.

As to the fur quality, no idea. The thing that strikes me, though- is it like people, some with thicker, fuller hair and some not? Just the way it is maybe? I don't know. I am sure someone will chime in on that.
 
Natural feeding will slow down growth considerably. I don't completely natural feed anything under 4 mos and expect it to be a s big as pellet fed animals. They would take forever to reach the weight Rex and SF should be, especially with lines that have not been bred for natural feeding.

Sometimes buns just stop growing. It's happened to me, they never make weight. I cull, but I know others that haven't, and those ones do produce regular sized kits later on.

Not all fur quality, even in the same litter is the same. It's one of those things. I sure wish that every SF or Rex I produced all had the right type, texture, length of fur. If they did, I would have no culls :)
 
Natural food will make them grow slower and since you can't feed them the same amount of protein a day like pellets, they may never reach their proper adult weight and all will end up small unless you start breeding for better growing rabbits on your chosen diet.
I have one buck that is 5.5-6#, his sister is now 8#. They ate the same, but he is just destined to be small. I got a replacement for him, slightly larger. :/
Hoping I can get some big rabbits from them to replace both bucks because they are seriously disappointing. I'm used to big, 10-12# foxes.
White hair tends to be a bit more rough feeling. The replacement is extra silvered and I can feel the rough white hairs, but also the softer black hairs. If your less silvered rabbit is also rough, it's probably a diet thing, needs more oil or vits to make it softer, but that won't change until the next molt.
My new Cali rabbits are very soft, but you can still feel a difference from white to any other color.
 
What part of NC are you in? There is a guy up the road from me that sells good alfalfa for $10 a bale. It's more than I'd like to pay, but it was all I could find that wasn't compressed. I'm about 15-20 minutes outside of Greensboro. If that's close enough for you, then I'll PM you the guys number.
 
Marinea":1l3tv5u2 said:
I read your post and don't see a thing to be embarrassed about, WW. Try not to be so hard on yourself. :)

:yeahthat:

WildWolf":1l3tv5u2 said:
My doe is stunted, and my buck is small. They came from the same breeder, who has normal-sized SF, but different lines.

Maybe yours are from a smaller line than the "normal sized" ones? You might want to ask the breeder what qualities she keeps each line for. Good milk production, large litters, better hindquarters, etc.- some characteristic that complements the other line(s).

My Rex are slow to reach Senior weight, but they continue to grow into their first year. That might be the case with your rabbits as well.

WildWolf":1l3tv5u2 said:
A few weeks ago I realized just how small my buck is, after visiting a rabbitry (different from the one where I got my doe and 1st buck) whose SF's were huge.

Have you considered adding stock to your herd from that rabbitry?

WildWolf":1l3tv5u2 said:
They both are naturally fed;

We often get the question here of what pellets are the best to feed. The answer to that applies to natural feeding as well.

Simply put, "Breed for what you feed." Keep the animals from each litter that show the best growth on your feeding regimen.
 
Thanks everyone! I'm kinda embarassed just because I only recently noticed/realized that it might be a problem, and it could be because I don't make sure they have enough alfalfa.

mizemama- please please please PM me that address!! That would help a lot- although I'm still going to check out the place I found to compare prices :)

So, I'm going to continue with my plan of getting normal alfalfa hay, to try to get them to eat more protein. I'm glad to hear that some bunnies just stop growing- even though that's not a very good trait. I know my doe's parents and my buck's parents were a good size. My doe must just be one of those who grows small, and perhaps my buck is still growing.
MommaSheepDog- I did pick up a buck from there. He's soft, and better typed than my small buck. The rabbitry that I got my small doe and buck from has 2 years of experience and shows. Not really experienced, but more so than I am! My doe is way better typed than my small buck, and super sweet, and my first SF, so she's staying :) This fall I'm going to try to breed the small buck and doe, to try to get better typed, good fur quality, kits, and I'm hoping that my doe's smallness will not pass on. We'll see. Also- I *think* my doe is molting. She's a year old, and I've never noticed a molt before, but this time her black patch that's not sun bleached seems to be getting slightly larger. Hopefully her new coat will be softer :)

Thanks everyone! I really thought I had missed something I should've noticed long ago... I'm so glad rabbittalk forums is here.
 
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