Charlie to Charlie = All Charlies?

[MamaSheepdog]

That's it in a nutshell.

Not that I have any Charlies, mind you... but if I wanted to have a whole litter of Charlies to choose from, would that occur, or are there modifiers at work too, so some would be marked as normal brokens?

 

[Bad Habit]

I think they'd be all Charlies, wouldn't they?

 

[MamaSheepdog]

I think you are right... because the Charlies have two broken genes, so all of the kits would have to have two as well. :?

 

[Kyle@theWintertime]

Yup, Charlie + Charlie = 100% Charlie.

I do believe Charlie + Broken = 50% Charlie, 50% Broken.

And of course Charlie + Solid = %100 Broken. Hence why I was so eager to get a Charlie, LOL!

 

[MamaSheepdog]

I think a Charlie with really good type would be nice to have, which is why I asked. Of course, I'll have to breed a couple litters to get two nice specimens to start with... and then hopefully get a nice buck kit out of the two.

 

[Kyle@theWintertime]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Charlies can be useful! Some "OTHER" places online...charlies are a bad word, LOL. Some people. :roll:

 

[akane]

Charlies are looked down upon because they often carry health issues and will die before being useful as breeders for long. Some people have tried and tried to raise a charlie and had them all die before breeding age. Others have a little more luck. Ours went off to pet homes as adults.

 

[Bill]

Genetics doesn'r quite work like that. For instance youd think from our recent thread where we have a pic of 4 Holland Lop kits new-show-string-t12977.html when we mated a broken to a broken we'd have gotten all brokens. We got a solid, 2 brokens and a lightly marked, probably gonna be a charlie.

A charlie to a charlie would give eack kit a 50% chance of being a charlie, a 25% chance of being a broken and a 25% chance of being a solid. Thta's each kit, not the litter so it would be possible to have a litter of all solids, though not very likely.

 

[Bad Habit]

Genetics doesn'r quite work like that. For instance youd think from our recent thread where we have a pic of 4 Holland Lop kits new-show-string-t12977.html when we mated a broken to a broken we'd have gotten all brokens. We got a solid, 2 brokens and a lightly marked, probably gonna be a charlie.

A charlie to a charlie would give eack kit a 50% chance of being a charlie, a 25% chance of being a broken and a 25% chance of being a solid. Thta's each kit, not the litter so it would be possible to have a litter of all solids, though not very likely.

Uhm, no. Charlie is EnEn, so EnEn x EnEn = 100% EnEn.

Your litter is a perfect example of how Genetics DO work like that. Broken is Enen, so Enen x Enen = 25% EnEn(Charlie), 50% Enen(Broken), 25% enen(solid). You had 1 charlie, 2 broken, 1 solid. 25%, 50%, 25%

 

[ladysown]

I've had nothing but bad experiences with Charlies so I'm not going to recommend you playing around with them, but perhaps your mileage may vary. Do watch for digestive upset and kits that die for no apparent reason.

 

[skysthelimit]

I've never had any of my charlies die, but then I have not had one I felt I needed to keep, so they all went to FC by the age of 4mos

 

[Kyle@theWintertime]

I've had her for a grand total of a few hours and already she's eaten some pellets, urinated and pooped at least once...compared to the little Mini Rex buck, who has so far refused to pee and hasn't eaten yet. Then again, I've had her for a grant total of a few hours, hard to know what the future will hold.

The gal I got her from had a LOT of Charlies, of a few different breeds and crosses, and many were adults who have sired or raised several litters already, so...I'm hoping my little Charlie will be a tough gal.

 

[MamaSheepdog]

Maybe breeding Charlie to Charlie isn't the best idea since it may compound possible digestive issues... but I'll try to get one out of a broken x broken breeding anyway. If it dies mysteriously, the dogs will enjoy a meal.

 

[Miss M]

Some Charlies don't seem to have issues... it doesn't hurt to try.

 

[skysthelimit]

I would not generally breed charlie to charlie, just because show wise that would do me no good. Now meat wise it wouldn't matter. But broken to broken happened a lot here, but not any more, since I only have one broken left.

 

[akane]

Show wise a charlie is useful because bred to a solid it can give you 100% brokens. If you know the color quality in the brokens in the background of both sides you can create 100% showable brokens per litter. I was actually looking to make a mini rex charlie for that purpose but lack of space got me and I sold my mini rex except my pet doe and 1 really nice blue buck that I might get a chin doe for.

 

[Frosted Rabbits]

The use of the word "broken" all alone makes it sound like something needs to be fixed or thrown out----

 

[MamaSheepdog]

The use of the word "broken" all alone makes it sound like something needs to be fixed or thrown out----

Not if you analyze the (abbreviated) term. "Broken" simply indicates that a solid body of color is broken (up) by white.

 

[skysthelimit]

Show wise a charlie is useful because bred to a solid it can give you 100% brokens. If you know the color quality in the brokens in the background of both sides you can create 100% showable brokens per litter. I was actually looking to make a mini rex charlie for that purpose but lack of space got me ahttp://pppst.com/nd I sold my mini rex except my pet doe and 1 really nice blue buck that I might get a chin doe for.

To solids yes, but I think Kyle said the breeder was breeding a lot of charlie to charlie. A bunch of charlies would be counter productive, just making more unshowable kits for me. I have pretty much gotten rid of my brokens for the most part, because I've found I have no use for broken pelts, they can't be joined with other pelts for bigger projects, patterns don't match up.

 

[Kyle@theWintertime]

The breeder had a lot of purebreds and a lot of mixed rabbits, and yeah there was a lot of broken and charlie and everything. Lovely barn, lovely cages, but like eight different breeds plus mutts, lol. I'd go insane. :lol: