Bunny colour help?

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Keiraash13

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Hi there! Second ever litter and wondered if i’m Getting this right.
Sire a chestnut agouti minilop with VM
Dam a sooty fawn/ black tort
I think I have a black with VM as patch on head, pink on ear and lower tum pink, an orange or cream and three sooty fawns(?) but doubting the latter. Is it possible they could be anything else?
16/11 Updated with photos taken in natural light.
 

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Black tort /sooty fawn
Siamese sable
Black
Siamese sable
Siamese sable
 

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Dood":1jb7ea4j said:
Black tort /sooty fawn
Siamese sable
Black
Siamese sable
Siamese sable
Brilliant thank you so much! Having looked into it a lot, I can to the same conclusion on the Siamese sable. Which I guess means the agouti or black tort carries Cchl recessively?
The black tort/ sooty fawn is becoming an orange. (I think).
 

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The baby is a tort of some sort, not fawn. Fawn would have white inside the ears, around the eyes and the whole undercarriage would be white.

This also means the dam is a tort of some sort, not a sooty fawn.

If you bred an agouti of any variety to a fawn (which is an agouti based color) the probability of getting five non-agouti (solid colored) babies from that crossing is very unlikely. As in very, very, very unlikely. What you have is a litter of all solid colors, none of them have the white inside the ears of an agouti based color pattern. Which is still unlikely but within fairly easy possibility if it's an agouti to a tort.

black aa B_ C_ D_ E_
chocolate aa bb C_ D_ E_
chocolate tort aa bb C_ D_ ee
sable & sable? aa bb C chl D_ E_ (if they look almost black as adults, then they may be dark sable which is: aa B_ C chl D_ E_ . )

FWIW, all those colors are considered non-agouti or 'solid' colors. Is the male actually a chestnut agouti?

From your two parents, their genetic color chart based on their colors would be:
Agouti sire: A_ B_ C_ D_ E_ VM
Tort Dam: aa B_ C_ D_ ee
adding in the genes they have to have in order to have the offspring they did:
Agouti Sire: Aa Bb C chl D_ Ee VM. So he carries chocolate and non-extension (tort, fawn) dunno about albino or dilute.
Tort Dam: aa Bb C chl D_ ee Now you know she carries chocolate, dunno about albino or dilute.

Here's what the various letters mean:
Dominant A is Agouti, recessive a (two of them) for solid color patterns
Dominant B is Black, two recessives will produce brown (chocolate)
Dominant C and the bunny shows color, two recessives and it's an albino. There's also some more "C"s - dark chinchilla, light chinchilla, himi, albino
Dominant D and the color is Dense, two recessives and it's dilute. (Black to blue, chocolate to lilac)
Dominate E and the color Extends all the way down the hair shaft. Two recessives and only the yellow colors extend down the hair shaft. Can be modified by rufus/red
Vienna is dominant but is weird. Needs two to be a Blue Eyed White Rabbit. One dominant and it's a Vienna Marked, although can carry one and not show it. All your offspring from the buck should have "Possible Vienna Carrier" written somewhere on their pedigree.

Double check all this, it's late at night and I'm not checking my notes but just blithely typing.
 

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hotzcatz":3irwqrbe said:
The baby is a tort of some sort, not fawn. Fawn would have white inside the ears, around the eyes and the whole undercarriage would be white.

This also means the dam is a tort of some sort, not a sooty fawn.

If you bred an agouti of any variety to a fawn (which is an agouti based color) the probability of getting four non-agouti (solid colored) babies from that crossing is very unlikely. As in very, very, very unlikely. What you have is a litter of all solid colors, none of them have the white inside the ears of an agouti based color pattern. Which is still unlikely but within fairly easy possibility if it's an agouti to a tort.
It is odd indeed. Here’s an update. He’s definitely a chestnut agouti and the dam is a sooty fawn- aka as a black tort here in the uk.
So pic wise we have three black torts but all different, a black self and an orange. (The only agouti who does indeed have a white tum).
 

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Oh, a "sooty fawn" in the U.S. is a fawn with a grey tinge to the ears and nose. As a black tort, that makes a lot more sense, genetically speaking.

Cute little bunners! Whatever their genetics are.

If it's midnight here, must be about lunchtime there?

This is DaffyDill, and I guess he's a 'sooty fawn' since he's a black tort? He doesn't look anywhere near as dark as yours?

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Strange isn't it the variety in one type!
It’s now just gone 11am here.
What a fluffy bunny :)
 

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Those are adorable bunnies. :) They are 3 weeks old now, right?
 

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Mini Lop Fan":3121eida said:
Those are adorable bunnies. :) They are 3 weeks old now, right?
I think so too! Very sweet little characters too. They are three weeks now.
 
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