Brand new here, color of my kits? (update: ANOTHER ONE)

[LPH_NY]

This is my first post on Rabbit Talk!

My Satin Tort doe kindled 8 days ago. I got 4 kits that look just like daddy, who is a chinchilla colored Flemish Giant. 2 white kits and 4 I am unsure of, all pretty much the same. Google isn't helping me much and I haven't been able to find a pic on here that looks like my kits... so can you please help me out? (these will be meat rabbits, so they are mixed)
What color is this kit?

Here is a pic of all the dark kits in the litter, where you can clearly see that 4 are very gray and the others are very brownish

Thanks in advance!

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This kit is from the other litter. When I photographed them at about 4 days old, I thought they were going to be black or very dark gray. She has 3 this color, but one of them has a little bit less of the colored ticking in the fur. Anyway, what color is this kit?

 

[PSFAngoras]

Congrats on the litter, they're very cute!

You mystery kits are chestnut agoutis. A pretty common color, but if you plan on tanning the pelts from them when they go in the freezer that color does produce a beautiful pelt.

 

[Zass]

That kit is a chestnut agouti. Nice babies

 

[LPH_NY]

Thank you so much! I was kind of thinking they'd have nice pelts They are so darn cute when they are this tiny. <br /><br /> __________ Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:33 am __________ <br /><br /> I added another kit to the photos in the post. Please help me identify the "color" of the kit. Thanks again!

 

[Zass]

Could you post a pic of the darker kits belly?

 

[LPH_NY]

Oh... I didn't take one. I will try to get a belly pic tomorrow. I was alone and they were squirmy!

 

[Zass]

It's probably a gold tipped steel. That's an agouti with the black part of the coat extended so that the color just shows on the hair tips. I just like getting a look at the bellies to confirm it.

A chinchilla coat affected the same way is called a silver tipped steel.
Just out of curiosity,
What colors we're the parents of the second litter?

 

[LPH_NY]

I had no luck with pictures today.

The buck was the same, Chinchilla color/steel and the doe is a NZW/Californian cross.

 

[Dood]

If the buck is a chinchilla steel (AKA silver tip steel) then the kit must be a silver tip and cannot be gold tipped.

 

[LPH_NY]

It's been a week or more since I last posted with color questions.

So... I have 2 litters that were both fathered by a steel Flemish Giant. In one litter, I got steel and chestnut agouti (along with REW). In the other litter, I got Californian and ?? I was going to accept the answer given previously that it's a silver-tipped steel... but I just want to get confirmation. Because the tipping is very tan-colored in some spots, not really gray. So, here are the three colors together:

And then here's the underside of the dark colored kit:

One more shot of the dark kit alone:

Is it silver tipped steel? Or something else?

Edited to add: Is black agouti a color?

 

[Zass]

black agouti isn't a color.
The kits are definitely steels.

Silver or gold tipped is hard to tell from pics though. Now, to be sure, what color is your cali/NZW cross doe?
I would expect you to say a pointed white,
and I believe dood is right, a chinchilla Flemish and a pointed white or rew rabbit should produce silver tipped steels. You have both agouti and chinchilla colored kits though, so you can compare your steel kits to both.

If you had chestnut agouti kits in the same litter though, they could definitely be gold tipped steels.

It's one or the other coat, just "all mucked up by steel" as I like to put it.

Here are two of my gold tipped steel babies, I like to show them to let people know how much variation it can produce. The one on the right almost looks like a chestnut agouti, and the one on the left almost looks black. It's just a difference in modifiers. They are both chestnut agoutis carrying one copy of the steel gene.

 

[Dood]

Black agouti is colour, it is the same as chestnut (or castor in rex)

In Europe they often use the term "black agouti" (which is more genetically correct) because of the various languages each have their own word for rabbits that look like "chestnut". In the same vein - opals are called "blue agouti" and lynx are called "lilac agouti".

Because the buck is chinchilla and the doe himilayan (California marked) the kits must be silver tipped steel and they likely have quite a bit of Rufus factors (notice how red the chestnuts are in the first pic) muddying up the white and grey.

I've noticed my silver tipped steels fathered by my California buck are more sooty than those fathered by my Flemish cross

 

[Zass]

Black agouti is colour, it is the same as chestnut (or castor in rex)

In Europe they often use the term "black agouti" (which is more genetically correct) because of the various languages each have their own word for rabbits that look like "chestnut". In the same vein - opals are called "blue agouti" and lynx are called "lilac agouti".

Thanks dood,
I forget that other countries have different names for all those. I was thrown off by someone referring to a tort as a "sooty fawn" a while back too.

 

[LPH_NY]

Awesome. Thanks so much for the help.

I just want to clarify... in the picture with all 3 agouti colors, the silver and the chestnut came from the same litter - their mother is a Tort Satin. The dark colored kit came from the other litter, and the only other color in that litter was the Californian coloring.

I think it's really amazing that there can be that much variation in the amount of color on the tips and I'm very much in love with all of the agouti patterns I have seen so far.

Edited to add this question: Can someone explain this to me, though... If Dood is correct, and the dark colored kit *can't* be gold-tipped because the father is chinchilla/steel, then why did the same father produce both chestnuts and steels when paired with the Satin doe? Is she solely responsible for the chestnut coloring of those agouti kits?

 

[Dood]

Yes. The doe carries the more dominant "full colour" gene that masked the bucks chinchilla gene and turns any chinchilla kits into chestnuts.

I just want to clarify... in the picture with all 3 agouti colors, the silver and the chestnut came from the same litter - their mother is a Tort Satin. The dark colored kit came from the other litter, and the only other color in that litter was the Californian coloring.

I understood this but the buck was the same so he must also have quite a few Rufus factors to contribute to the redness of the kits.

 

[JessiL]

Zass, I'd like to see your photo of two variations on the steel theme, but for some reason it says "You are not authorized to view this image" rather than showing the picture. This is not the first time that I've seen such an error message instead of a picture, and I've never figured out why that happens! Any advice on how to see it? Thanks!

 

[Zass]

Zass, I'd like to see your photo of two variations on the steel theme, but for some reason it says "You are not authorized to view this image" rather than showing the picture. This is not the first time that I've seen such an error message instead of a picture, and I've never figured out why that happens! Any advice on how to see it? Thanks!

It usually only says that to me if I'm logged out. But...if you posted you must have been logged in... :?

Here is a link to a similar pic on my DA
http://bunnehspammin.deviantart.com/art ... -427411655
it doesn't show the all black face of the second bun though