Another color question :)

[ipoGSD]

So my original plan was to keep chubby chestnut (broken chestnut) as the resident buck for breeding. He is sweet and big.

But my wife really wants to keep the broken fawn buck. He is more friendly then chubby chestnut, always comes up to us for petting but is a little smaller.

I don't have the money to keep both as pets/breeders, well I should say I don't have the money to build a bunch of hutches lol. And we already have 2 bucks as pets. My buck is puppy dog friendly, always wants to be petted. So re homing him isn't an option. My daughters is sweet too and she would kill me if we re homed him. So we are buck heavy already. But I do want to keep a larger buck. Both bucks in question will probably be bigger than the mini rex bucks.

My question to the bun bun experts is, which buck would give the most diverse colors/patterns in the litters?

Again as a reminder I have a black self and a steel doe.

Ty

 

[caroline]

For diversity it depends upon what recessives the does and the broken chestnut buck are carrying.
You already know that the broken fawn is ddee. So that means all kits will carry dilute and non extension
and if the does carry that then you can get blue and opal maybe tort and red/orange if the does carry non-extension.
Half of all kits will be broken with either buck.

 

[ipoGSD]

Dang it I lost my post lol

Long story short:

Thank you Caroline. I think I kind of understand your post I do think both does are non extention.

I dont know if chubby is a non extention. I just know he's cute lol Is there anyway of figuring out what chestnut could carry before breeding? How different would the colors be compared to the fawn? Is it possible he could have similar genes and they both could produce basically the same?

I like the colors you said the fawn can throw. Would love to see some opals just from what you said it seems like the broken fawn can throw lotsss of pretty colors

Stupid question.. is it possible I could somehow produce an otter? I think the otter pattern is beautiful ♡♡♡ <br /><br /> __________ Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:45 am __________ <br /><br /> Dang it I lost my post lol

Long story short:

Thank you Caroline. I think I kind of understand your post I do think both does are non extention.

I dont know if chubby is a non extention. I just know he's cute lol Is there anyway of figuring out what chestnut could carry before breeding? How different would the colors be compared to the fawn? Is it possible he could have similar genes and they both could produce basically the same?

I like the colors you said the fawn can throw. Would love to see some opals just from what you said it seems like the broken fawn can throw lotsss of pretty colors

Stupid question.. is it possible I could somehow produce an otter? I think the otter pattern is beautiful ♡♡♡

 

[caroline]

Chestnut A_B_C_D_E_
Fawn A_B_C_ddee

so all the places where there is a dash _
are possible recessives

non-extension is the "e"
it is the most recessive allele possible on that gene
if you have "ee" you get fawn if dilute "dd", red/orange if dense D_""
or tort if "aa" self

I have had a chestnut [actually called castor since I raise only Rex]
that is AaBbCcDdEe
and could throw almost ANYTHING if bred to the right doe.

The way to guess what recessives your rabbits might carry is to have a good multi-generation pedigree.
If you see recessive colors in the background, like blue, chocolate, opal, lynx, REW, lilac, etc. Then you know what is POSSIBLE.
But even if you don't see it, it's still possible and you can only confirm by breeding.
I like to always have a lilac aabbC_ddE_to breed to, then I can find out what recessives the animal that I breed it to carries.
And I use an REW ____cc____ to test breed to find the chinchilla gene.

I use globalpedigree.com to track all my rabbits.
I can enter the the known genotype on all my rabbits and their ancestors.
Then it can print on the pedigree. It's really nice to give to buyers and
you can predict what colors your litters will have.It's fun to do

 

[ipoGSD]

Hi Caroline wow you truly know your genetics! I just wish I knew what you were talking about lmao. I even went to a couple websites to try to figure it out. While I think I understand a teeeeeny bit.. I just don't get it lol I wish I did. For me I have to stick to brown..black..Grey.. lmao times like this I really wish I paid more attention to my teacher in high school than chatting with my friends lol

I fully understand ball python genetics. With them we don't use the letters. They were either hets, possible hets, dom, co dom or recessive.

And.. none of my buns have pedigrees. Tho I think my mini rex bucks are purebreds. They have super soft mini rex fur and are the right weight (about 4lbs) my does are satin x flemish mixes. So I have no clue on any of their genetics. I guess it will be fun to figure it out.

Again thank you Caroline, I appreciate your help even tho I'm genetically challenged lol <br /><br /> __________ Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:01 am __________ <br /><br /> Hi Caroline wow you truly know your genetics! I just wish I knew what you were talking about lmao. I even went to a couple websites to try to figure it out. While I think I understand a teeeeeny bit.. I just don't get it lol I wish I did. For me I have to stick to brown..black..Grey.. lmao times like this I really wish I paid more attention to my teacher in high school than chatting with my friends lol

I fully understand ball python genetics. With them we don't use the letters. They were either hets, possible hets, dom, co dom or recessive.

And.. none of my buns have pedigrees. Tho I think my mini rex bucks are purebreds. They have super soft mini rex fur and are the right weight (about 4lbs) my does are satin x flemish mixes. So I have no clue on any of their genetics. I guess it will be fun to figure it out.

Again thank you Caroline, I appreciate your help even tho I'm genetically challenged lol

 

[Dood]

Het and recessive are the same terms, just different species

There are over 10 recessive colour and pattern loci in rabbits so every rabbit could be secretly "het" for 10 colours or patterns

A chestnut rabbit is comparable to a normal ball python - they might be het for some colour but you won't know unless you breed them or know the parents colours (ie the offspring of an albino X normal will be normal looking but secretly carry the albino gene and be "het albino" )

If it your chestnut is recessive/het for the non-extension colour then if bred to another het non-extension you should 75% normals/chestnut (50% of which are possible hets) and get 25% fawns (who have two non-extension genes)

Clear as mud :cheesysmile:

broken is a dominant colour so your broken fawn will produce 50% broken and 100% het for non-extension

 

[ipoGSD]

Clear as mud? I think not.. this way was crystal clear for me. This kind of rabbit genetics I get! Yay im not a total idiot hahaha

I'll keep attempting to understand the lettering. Who knows maybe I'll get it..In like 30 years lol

Dood, you seem to know your bp genetics. Is that because you are that good with genetics or do you like bp's? Or both? I was into bp's for close to 10 years. Produced some beautiful balls. I finally (after years of work went in to it) produced my BEL but when I did, is when I was getting out of the hobby. Wanted I keep her but a good friend ended up with her. So I was happy with that.

Again thank you Caroline and you too Dood! <br /><br /> __________ Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:54 am __________ <br /><br /> Clear as mud? I think not.. this way was crystal clear for me. This kind of rabbit genetics I get! Yay im not a total idiot hahaha

I'll keep attempting to understand the lettering. Who knows maybe I'll get it..In like 30 years lol

Dood, you seem to know your bp genetics. Is that because you are that good with genetics or do you like bp's? Or both? I was into bp's for close to 10 years. Produced some beautiful balls. I finally (after years of work went in to it) produced my BEL but when I did, is when I was getting out of the hobby. Wanted I keep her but a good friend ended up with her. So I was happy with that.

Again thank you Caroline and you too Dood!

 

[Dood]

I just like colour genetics - My parents were dog breeders so I was well versed in those colours genetics and I was actually a corn and milk snake breeder in my youth and learned their colours and then I bred feeder mice and learned theirs, and so on, and so on, and so on ....

 

[ipoGSD]

Yup.. makes total sense now especially since you were into corns. There are so many different morphs!

So glad people like you are here to help people like me lol