Split penis? (graphic) (updated with fresh pic)

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I've never seen one quite like this. Is this a split penis, or am I just being paranoid?
The rabbit isn't mine, but he is a buck on loan that I intended to breed.

(I know...I'm not wearing gloves...shame on me) I did wash my hands afterward though, if that helps any. :lol:
 
If you can put a little more pressure and it opens up, it would be easier to see for sure but, yes that does look like a probable split penis to me.
 
You are supposed to wear gloves for these kind of things? How would you have the dexterity to feel anything? I just checked 5 chinchillas for penis hair rings (problem when they are mating or mounting each other), then I poked around at some hedgehog hoglets for genders, and I have yet to wash my hands. :lol: I used to have to remove fur from guinea pig penis too. Stupid long haired boar that everyone wanted to mount.

Might as well go torture Kido and Enki for rabbit penis comparison since I've violated every other male today.

There is a slight ridge down the underside of Enki's penis but I don't know if it's as obvious as that photo. The blown up size makes it hard to judge. Kido's is completely smooth and round. Both come to a point. The split penis I've seen never came to a point. I don't know if I have a picture but I had one that was just 2 head openings (not sure if both were functional) on a single shaft.

Oh Kido is sending you death threats through the computer for being violated and now since he's out he gets his toenails trimmed. :lol: <br /><br /> -- Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:12 pm -- <br /><br /> Kido was so insulted he nipped my husbands foot and then peed in front of his pillow. :lol:
 
BlueMoods":1t4drugy said:
If you can put a little more pressure and it opens up, it would be easier to see for sure but, yes that does look like a probable split penis to me.


It opens all the way down that "split" if that helps any. I'll see if I can take a better pic. I need a helper.


Oh Kido is sending you death threats through the computer for being violated and now since he's out he gets his toenails trimmed. :lol:
Yeah, my buck Xerx is also unimpressed with the situation. He had to be taken out and compared as well ;) (his was normal)

Here is another pic of the "penis in question"

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I can't quite reconcile the 3d image of that but it is definitely off even if it's not exactly a split penis. Probably best not bred if you can get anything else. If you can't it's your choice if you want to just try culling for it in future generations. Sometimes these things are just a one time anomaly or nearly every kit could have it. No one knows. I did cull when I got a split penis but even the pairings I repeated many many times never produced a second.
 
I think the doe was bred before I found this, but...I'm not sure. If she did it was very quick when I wasn't looking. I guess we will see in 31 days.

How soon before I know if any kits will also have this condition?
 
I haven't had good luck getting the penis fully out before 8-12weeks. That's why I don't really like to guarantee gender if I sell them right at 8weeks. You can often feel the penis shaft and see some difference to be mostly sure of gender but they just don't seem developed enough to fully slide it out and examine. For selling young juniors it might be a little difficult but if you don't mind a slightly older fryer or making a roaster out of them you should be able to tell well before they mature past best butchering age and definitely before they are ready to breed.
 
This was the velveteen buck, although I was planning on offering them mostly as house pets, people will still breed "pet quality" rabbits so I'd rather not sell rabbits with genetic faults.

I can easily hold onto them until 12 or 16 weeks. Velveteens are rare enough around here that they will probably still sell like hotcakes even older.
If it is a true split penis than it's carried on the doe's side, right?
So, if I sell does from the litter...I could be risking unwittingly introducing it hidden into other people's bloodlines.

Well, to be honest, my doe is already related to this buck (I mentioned that no one else has them, right? I had to return to the original breeder to find a velveteen stud)

So, if it is a true genetic split penis it should definitely turn up in the babies.
That is one thing I like about line-breeding. Being able to catch and stop a problem right from the start instead of spreading it around a larger gene pool just to have it pop up all over the place later.
 
In all the breeds I've dealt with it pops up randomly from any line. Not often enough to really cull the parents and siblings for it but often enough you can't eliminate it. I wonder if it is not the doe or the buck carrying a simple gene anomaly. Maybe each incident is a separate mutation or error in combining the male and female's DNA. You couldn't breed it out then because it wouldn't run in families. Some assume it's a carried genetic fault but it may be entirely random. No one really knows. We're all just culling split penis bucks in case it could be passed on.
 
It will be interesting than, to see if there are split penis bucklings in the litter. (if she has one, that is)
If it is genetic trait in this case, they should produce them. (She is his daughter, so if it can be carried by a doe she should have it, and if it takes two genes, then between them there are pretty good chances)

And if all the bucklings should be normal... they would not carriers? One litter is never really enough to tell.

But I won't want to sell any kits if it's something they will pass along.

I only wanted one litter from Mucky anyway, mainly, to see if it corrected her hair pulling habit.
 
It looks a lot like my Bucks split - not a very big split and still got a doe pregnant. I also think it might be a different mutation than the split that rabbits get that go all the way down. It seems like the seam that baby bucks have that usually closes when they get older but in some it doesn't close.
 
(( HUGS ))

If was my rabbit, I would go ahead and use the buck for breeding.
Then you can raise the babies up. If the bucks show the split,
then maybe they could be neutered and sold that way ?
Make the new owner to be, pay the neutering cost.
Or the bucks could be a food source ?

Being your quest for a buck was very limited, you are now between
a rock and hard place. I would use this as a learning experience.
 
I always cull, but here's what I've been told and read---if a buck carries the split penis, you will see a split penis. But is a doe carries it, you could not tell visually. So when I got two from the same litter. I culled the doe, the bucks with the split and all the doe siblings. I had been warned that it showed up in that line, and when I doubled up on it, that's what I got. Now I kept a kit from the second time it happened, different line. So we will see. It's the Cal Rex, and they are only bred to each other, so it's not something that would spread through the lines, and I already culled his dam for kits scattered white haired kits.
 
Yeah, check the buck first! I did look at him, but I didn't see the abnormality right away.

Seriously though, in a way this is good, because if it happens to be something that might be carried by my doe, it could turn up in the kits no matter which buck I use. If she carries this litter with no problems I might have to go ahead and try with a different breed of buck (to ensure zero relation) in the future, just to test to see if she produces them to a normal buck.

If the bucklings show the split, I might have to cull the litter. :(
It'll be sad, but not enough people in my area neuter rabbits (unfortunately, not enough cats or dogs either). Everyone tends to be low income and scrambling for a quick buck. ;)
If I sell any babies they will be bred, and sold.

I should at least be able to see if her hair pulling habit stops with a breeding, assuming she's actually pregnant
 
Zass":1zggwfhc said:
not enough people in my area neuter rabbits (unfortunately, not enough cats or dogs either). Everyone tends to be low income and scrambling for a quick buck. ;)


Pretty much that's why I just cull. I've already been on the end of buying rabbits that the original breeder sold only as meat buns... (split penis came out of that stuff).
 
Same here, few neuter any animal, it's simply too costly for what they see as elective but, if I recommend it and they don't, that is on them. Around here meat breeders simply don't care, if it produces babies that can be butchered, that's all they care. Most of those don't ever see a vet, if the breeder can't treat it OTC, the rabbit dies. Of course they also don't vaccinate pets much, a dog with parvo, rabies, distemper or the like is simply shot, or fed acetaminophen if they are too squeamish to shoot it.

Just how simple, low income country folks deal with animals in an area where there is no animal control. Can't do anything about it out here, it isn't illegal here to kill an animal you own and, animal control does not have jurisdiction out here so, won't come out here or do anything at all.

I won't sell many period because I know the chances of them actually going to a good home is slim, they would be lucky to be kept fed and watered and alive for a few years and, that only as a meat producer that was cheap to feed and easy to take care of, and cheap to acquire.
 
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