Despite google searches, I can't find pics of seal or sable rex. From the written description, I am guessing this is a seal doe? The brown on her flanks shows up prominently in the photo, in real life she looks almost black.

http://www.chini-mini.com/himalayan.htm
For mini rex

I would say that is a seal, if it looks black and the brown is most noticable on the bottom. A sable would have lighter shading on the main body with darker shading on the ears, flanks, feet and underbelly. I think I'm describing it right. http://natalieshobe.tripod.com/id21.html

I could sure use that bunny in my quest for sables. What do the parents look like?

IIRC Seal is brownish all over. Sable is brownish all over with Darker Points of ears, nose, feet. ( kinda like a brown rabbit with Californian markings.)

thanks, that's what I'm trying to say. There is a nice pict on the national rex rabbit club website http://nationalrexrc.org/Varieties.htm

Well, now I'm confused... looked at the seal and sable pics, Sky, and she is dark like the seal, but has the shading of the sable. Probably a dark sable then- seal sable? I think I need to post better pics.

The buck is a black, and the doe is an opal. The G.G. dam (top) of the doe is a broken seal.

I'd say sable, but that's just based off of seeing a friend's American Sables.

Seal is simply 2 sable genes so having some sable shading should not be odd. Sables are made by crossing himi (rew can be used but then you can tell the base color) lines with sable lines to keep getting rabbits with 1 sable genes and 1 himi gene rather than 2 sable genes which makes the rabbit too dark and the color called seal. So a seal is a dark sable.

Standard Rexes don't have himis, at least not as a recognized variety. You can get a sable from a chin light, but that's what I'm trying to figure out how to do. Sable and seal are hard to come by colors in Standard Rex.

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Rex sables are much usually much darker than American sables.

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What is the under color?

http://www.minkhollow.ca/MHF/doku.php?i ... x_standard Just a pict of Seal, none of sable.

Sable

Saddle color is to be an even, rich sepia brown, shading gradually to rich chestnut on the flanks. Head, ears, legs, and upper side of tail are to match the saddle. Chest color is to match the flanks. Color is to go well down the fur shaft, with undercolor to match shadings throughout. Ruby cast over eyes permissible.

Faults: Streaks; splotches; white hair(s); rusty tinge.
Seal

Saddle color is to be a rich, dark sepia, shading only to slightly paler on flanks, chest, and belly. Color is to go well down the fur shaft, with undercoat to match shadings throughout. Saddle color is to extend from nape of neck to the tail. (True seal is of the chinchilla line, not black and chocolate together)

I vote you just put "brown" on the pedigree.

There is the greatest book out on genetics i have ever had the pleasure of reading. It almost makes me understand how those things work.. ( almost... there are still some things that elude me)
The book is "It's easy as ABC About Bunny Colors" So well worth the $$ !

The seal, sable, chin, and himi gene are all variations of the c gene... so it would not be unlikely to show up in various breedings. As certain colors are selected for... the various modifiers accumulate and make it 'more likely' that a specific range of color will be produced.

I know there are members here that have a Lot more genetic experience than i have...Please correct me if i am giving out incorrect information.

In most breeds himi is used since you can still see the base color but other colors can be used to dilute a sable. The light chin gene is the sable gene. It's just a different name for it. If you look at articles that list the gene letter designation for dark and light chin and the letter designation on sites that list chin and sable they are the same. That's why you can make sables out of light chins. If you get light chin plus rew you have sable because it is the sable gene.

If the sables are much darker in standard rex than any other color it's possible most are genetically seals and the difference is simply a case of modifiers. If there is no good color to breed in (due to lack of himi lines) to keep 1 sable gene instead of 2 they may have just bred for a light version of 2 sable genes and a dark version of 2 sable genes and decided to call the darker one seal even though in other breeds and genetically speaking both would be seal. These things do happen when people breed for colors without understanding the genetics. Different names get given to the same color and different colors get given the same name due to some modifiers that make it a little lighter or darker than usual for that genotype. I also find it annoying that we call a rabbit with 2 sable genes a seal when it's the same gene.

Hmm she looks like a super dark poorly colored castor to me....parents of her if you know would be a big help. Also if she's had any kids what color they were might help. I've had super dark castors like this when dealing with tri/harlequins.

I was wondering how one would get a seal or sable out of a black/opal pairing. I suppose the black could carry chld if it was from a chin line, and the opal carries it from the seal line. Because if the black didn't carry it, wouldn't the self C be dominant? Or maybe that black carries for c REW?
Usually they say most seals are genetically sables, just darker sables. I want to get the kind of sable with the darker points on face, ears, and feet. I have a thread in genetics (sorry to hijack your thread but its related). I have a buck I know is chld, both sire and dam are chld. There have been "beige" and self chins out of his sire. I have never seen a himi Standard Rex. So I just pair him with a REW?

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It's a black/opal pairing, and the opal has seal in the ped.

I would like to know the undercoat color. Opal is a castor dilute.

it is a very even coloring, although that sepia color is reminiscent of sable, judging by her size (adult or close to it) I would be learning toward Havana JMO though.