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Post Number:#1  Unread postby Preitler » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:54 pm


Hi,

I've a doe with appr. 11 months, and a new buck who just matures, about 4 1/2 months now.

Some weeks ago he started spraying and to show interest in the girls, sniffing and marking around their hutch, so I thought it's worth a try to give them a rendezvous. :mrgreen:

Let them out in the yard, but after first contact she shooed him away and he didn't persist. Ok, to getting them know each other I put the doe in a cage in my living room and let him get familiar through the bars, seemed to work fine. But I guess he was still too young.

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Second date 2 weekes later was a disaster, THATS no way to treat a buck! :evil:

First they touched noses, doe gives him a grunt and shooes him away again. He keeps sneaking up, she charges. Actually, that was funny to watch, she charges, he speeds up too and jumps high over the doe, but after about 10 seconds and 3 or 4 times of that I finally grabbed the doe because she went into fight mode.

She lives together with her mother and 2 younger silblings (6wks), the buck lives alone but gets some time with the growouts.

Somehow I have the feeling that beeing with the older doe and competing for dominance makes her act hostile to the buck, I'm thinking about isolating her for a few days and try to socialise them again. Or should I wait til the buck is older, but I want to breed her this year, and as soon as possible because I'll be in the US at christmas, the headcount then should be not more than 4 bunnies because I have to find someone to take care of the buns.

Any ideas how to proceed? How do I get the deed done? :kiss: :lovers: Image
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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#2  Unread postby TF3 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:50 pm


Following with interest as I just had a young doe run off an experienced buck ;)
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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#3  Unread postby rtower » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:08 pm


Hi Preitler!

As you probably know, I'm pretty new at this but thought I'd throw out an idea...

We've had a few threads discussing the use of Apple Cider Vinegar at the rate of 1 to 2 tablespoons per gallon is the rabbit's water. One of the "benefits" of ACV that I've read about is that people have used it to get their rabbits "in the mood". The ones I've read about mention difficulties just like yours (inexperienced or uninterested buck and uncooperative doe). After a few days on the ACV water they tried again with instant success.

Might be worth a try and certainly would be a great time to experiment. Would love to hear your results if you decide to try it.

Good luck!

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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#4  Unread postby LPH_NY » Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:30 pm


Your idea of isolation for a few days is exactly what I would try first, if I were in the same situation. And then, I'd put her into *his* territory after isolation. And if she's still acting crazy that day, I'd try again the next day.

Both of my does *missed* in March after putting them with my buck in February. Neither one of them had interest in him when I put them together. Both fled from him like he was the plague. It was exhausting and confusing for him, so I pinned the does down for him to do the deed the first time. Once they'd been "tagged" they went into a trance and put up with another fall off without my help. But I really think they were not in the mood, and probably why they didn't take. The does had been living together for about 6 months by that time. After their missed due dates, I separated them and bred them again. Both were more willing participants the second time around... maybe because they weren't feeling competitive anymore at that point. The second doe welcomed the buck so well, that I left her in with him for 3 weeks. They were so happy together.

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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#5  Unread postby Zass » Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:34 pm


Watch you doe closely too. She'll let you know when she wants bred.

If I offer a doe a treat and she chin-rubs it before even sniffing it, or if she lifts when I pet her, she's not likely to refuse a buck. :D

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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#6  Unread postby Preitler » Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:45 pm


Well, that was interesting :shock:

I watched her, but her behaviour never changed. She doesn't like being petted so no rubbing beside the usual marking of everything in the yard, and the ACV may be a good idea, but my buns drink nothing this time of the year.

After I kept her a few days in isolation (that was one bored bunny!) I fenced off an about 2x3m corner of the yard, put him in there, and after an hour her too.

Same game as ever, she grunts, he runs, she charges, he jumps, tufts of hair flying... :evil:

Ok. I saw It won't work that way. It's a self-sustaining action-reaction game.
So I took a small box, just big enough for the two of them and stuffed them in. The first minutes I kept my hands on their ears, after he flopped comfortably down I just guarded the open side of the box. You wouldn't believe it - PEACE :P , ok, a somewhat high strung peace, but they didn't grunt, jump or fight.

After 10 minutes I let them out, and now he was much bolder, chased her a little, when he got her she lay flat and lifted, and yeah,Image :wr_power:
After falling off there was a little fight, but well, he is a brave boy.

I put them back in their hutches after he got her the third time.

She isn't tamed to him yet, but for a few seconds instincts made her a good bunny :D
I will repeat that since, considering the colour of her parts, she wasn't really ready. Not that I think that matters much, but just to be sure...


After that I think it would have worked if I had put them in a very small hutch right away. They do not fight in close quarters, can't run away either. I was ready to break up a class 5 Furnado in the box, but no, nothing.

Can't wait to see what their litter will look like :P

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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#7  Unread postby rtower » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:20 pm


Congratulations Preitler!

Good effort on your part and good information for future reference.

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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#8  Unread postby Preitler » Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:43 am


Hi, now I'm pretty sure she is bred, hormons are kicking in. Yesterday I found a small hole in the garden, and today this in my basement:
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Since it's very hot they can roam free when I'm at home, and I've had all doors open, didn't see her for hours. :dig-hole: :D

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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#9  Unread postby Nika » Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:54 pm


I wonder if they dig only when preparing to build a nest or is it just bunny thing.

How far along is she, two weeks?

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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#10  Unread postby Preitler » Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:30 pm


About 10 days. Sometimes they dig tunnels several meters long, does working in shifts and also the buck chiming in, but imho when pregnant they do it more often.

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Actually, my two older does, 3-4yr, don't do it that much anymore, black doe did 2 tunnels with just about 1m each this year. Didn't breed the grey one, and she didn't dig.

I hope that awful heat wave is over before the kits are due :wr_sweat: , grass is starting to wilt...

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Post Number:#11  Unread postby Stephanie » Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:10 pm


I believe I read once of a way to get her in the mood that might be worth a try in the future. House the buck in a different cage for a day, and put the doe alone in his cage. She'll get used to his scent. Next day, take her out and put him back in. After a couple hours, put her in his cage with him. She should recognize that she's in HIS territory and not be quite as aggressive.

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Post Number:#12  Unread postby Nika » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:19 am


Your rabbits must be in heaven, running freely all day and just being rabbits. I let my two does loose last years and never got one of them back, so now I am really careful with them. How do you keep them on your property, do you have rabbitproof fencing ?

My grandma says that the weather changes after the first rain in august. She is 90, so she should now ;) I believe that this weekend we are saying goodbye to really hot summer and starting "to autumn". Even this heatwave is kinda chilly,still 34-36degrees but with low humidity. We had 16degrees at 6am and 23 at 9pm yesterday.

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Post Number:#13  Unread postby grumpy » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:08 am


Allowing the rabbits to come into contact with the soil, exposes them
to coccidiosis. It's only a matter of time and they'll come down with it.

If a young buck is allowed to get his butt kicked by a nasty, ill-tempered
doe, he can be ruined for future use. ALWAYS...........keep an eye on
the young fella and DON'T allow him to be roughed-up in any way, form,
or fashion. DON'T allow him to be "topped" by a doe. He'll be submissive
if it's done to him too many times. It won't be long and he'll be useless
and afraid to try to breed, remembering the a$$-whippin's he's received
in the past.

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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#14  Unread postby Nika » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:51 am


We had them on the ground at least 10-15 years and never experienced problems with coccidia. Like you said about soil, a lot of people say about wooden hutches and I can`t believe that I still have rabbits.. Movement and expressing their instincts (digging, bonding with others, etc) improves their immune system and contributes greatly to fighting with diseases and overall health.

We all breed for health, I am breeding for healthy ground rabbits :)

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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#15  Unread postby Miss M » Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:53 pm


I would love to have a colony, but I have fire ants. :(

Preitler, that's awesome that you had good results with stuffing them both in a small box! I will remember that! :)
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