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Post Number:#1  Unread postby SixGun » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:48 am


So I recently had a litter with my two blue selfs, only to discover that someone was not who they appeared to be.
After looking at pedigrees and the rabbits themselves I believe my doe is actually a steel, not blue. However, I can't find this color on my usual Angora go-to website, and my go-to color calculator website doesn't have steel listed as an option.
So, help please. Blue steel, is it? Aa B- C- dd EsE
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Re: Steel

Post Number:#2  Unread postby SableSteel » Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:35 am


That's a possible genotype for blue steel.
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Re: Steel

Post Number:#3  Unread postby SixGun » Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:49 am


LOL! Love it!

So my litter has a Lynx and a Fawn....

What would they look like genetically? Maybe I can work backwards that way?
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Re: Steel

Post Number:#4  Unread postby Dood » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:44 am


Lynx = A_ bb C_ dd E_ (both chocolate and blue)

Fawn = A_ B_ C_ D_ ee
BUT you CANNOT get a fawn from two blues so I suspect you've got a dilute fawn AKA cream = A_ B_ C_ dd ee

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Re: Steel

Post Number:#5  Unread postby SixGun » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:49 pm


So Fawn is not a dilute of Red? That's probably a dumb question.

Thank you very much Dood.

How about Ermine? A breeder friend suspects the white are not REW but Ermine.
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Re: Steel

Post Number:#6  Unread postby Dood » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:31 pm


Nope, red rabbits have other colour genes not usually listed in the genotype called wideband and extra Rufus factors to get that red belly and rich dark red

(if you wanted to get technical you would have over 12 colour, pattern and fur type loci :cheesysmile: but only 5 colours are commonly used ;) )

Fawn = A_ B_ C_ D_ ee W_ +
Red = A_ B_ C_ D_ ee ww ++++

An ermine (sometimes called frosty) is a fawn that is also chinchilla (= A_ B_ cchd_ D_ ee) or sable (= A_ B_ cchl_ D_ ee)

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Re: Steel

Post Number:#7  Unread postby SixGun » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:45 pm


OK....

So if I bred a Blue (self) to a Steel (Agouti) would I be able to get Blue, Steel, Lynx, Cream, Ermine, and a REW? That's what my best guesses are right now for what is in the nest box.

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Lynx / Cream / Ermine


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3 Blues and a Steel? The one has a lighter color coming in on his ears.


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Ermine and maybe a REW
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Re: Steel

Post Number:#8  Unread postby Dood » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:33 am


Partially correct

You can get blue, steel, Lynx, cream but only frost OR REW and not both because both parents carry one full colour gene and one recessive

HOWEVER :mrgreen: IF the blue is actually a self chinchilla :D you could get frosty AND REW :cheesysmile: Time will tell

I think the Lynx (= A_ bb C_ dd E_ ) is more likely a Opal (= A_ B_ C_ dd E_)

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Re: Steel

Post Number:#9  Unread postby SarniaTricia » Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:05 pm


Dood wrote:Partially correct

You can get blue, steel, Lynx, cream but only frost OR REW and not both because both parents carry one full colour gene and one recessive

HOWEVER :mrgreen: IF the blue is actually a self chinchilla :D you could get frosty AND REW :cheesysmile: Time will tell

I think the Lynx (= A_ bb C_ dd E_ ) is more likely a Opal (= A_ B_ C_ dd E_)


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