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Post Number:#1  Unread postby SarniaTricia » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:04 am


I am really seriously considering breeding Magpie Harlequin......
I have the standards book... checked this site.... started reaching out to folks with Harlequins.....

I still have tones of questions!!!
Do I cull all the kits with smutty coats? (smutty=no defining black/white.. kinda more grey/black)
Should I be looking to keep all the kits with good face divisions?

I would love if anyone with experience with this breed could give me tips on what to look for... I am shopping for a new buck.

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(I will post some photos of the kits I have to work with later today, tomorrow, or some time this week....lol)

__________ Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:04 am __________

Here is the doe and buck I got to start the ball rolling....
DOE: Ester
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Only three of these kits made it.... lost the centre to heat and the top left to feed change last week.... they are currently 5 months.
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Re: Harlequin (the breed) specifically Magpie

Post Number:#2  Unread postby SixGun » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:53 am


I have previously raised this breed. Both Japanese and Magpie. I found that good face division is a difficult characteristic to keep, so yes, definitely always keep that high on the list of keeping breeders. Color and pattern is everything in this breed, so only keep something that is better than a parent, IMO. In the 10 litters or so I raised, so approx. 70 kits, I never had one meet my standards to keep, and I had relatively good stock to begin with. I had to leave them abruptly and miss them. I strongly considered raising them again this time around. I loved raising them before, and they fit my needs really well as I fed raw to 7 dogs and I always had culls. They've got a good grow out rate and never had a personality problem.

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Re: Harlequin (the breed) specifically Magpie

Post Number:#3  Unread postby SableSteel » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:38 pm


You shouldn't keep the brindled ones for breeding unless it is really good otherwise, in my opinion

While the face split ones are nice for showing, you can also keep ones without facesplits for breeding if they have well defined markings and good type
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Re: Harlequin (the breed) specifically Magpie

Post Number:#4  Unread postby SarniaTricia » Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:06 pm


I can't wait to get them all to a show and meet some experienced breeders to get feedback from!!!

Thank you!

I have 2 or 3 kits with great face division!
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Re: Harlequin (the breed) specifically Magpie

Post Number:#5  Unread postby Zass » Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:03 pm


Looks like good starter stock to me. :)

Preferably, I only want to save those kits that I'd be willing to take to a show.

I routinely get 9-10 finished fryers/litter from mine, so there has been no shortage of kits to sift though.

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Re: Harlequin (the breed) specifically Magpie

Post Number:#6  Unread postby SarniaTricia » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:40 pm


I've managed to touch base with one Harlequin breeder that will be at the show this weekend..... She only works with Japanese (spelling?) But I really want to pick her brains for suggestions.

Thanks again everyone!

__________ Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:22 pm __________

Just a few photos of my current stock of Magpie Harlequin:

New Buck:
I will see what he throws in the next litter and decide if he stays or goes...
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BOG winner at Show A & B MSU show in Nov 2106
She won't be old enough to breed for another month -two months....
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Dolly:
Great temperament Doe with nice crisp lines
She is from the same litter as Kiki and Gigi
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Sheri:
This doe is from my meat rabbits....
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Fiona:
Just bread today to Chester Bailey
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Gigi, Kiki and Fiona at the MSU show in November 2016:
These three does are full sisters

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Ester is my foundation doe:
She's a bit small and fine boned, but she threw Kiki and Gigi.... so she can't be all that bad. :lol:
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Re: Harlequin (the breed) specifically Magpie

Post Number:#7  Unread postby Zass » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:02 am


Oh nice bunnies!! Especially Kiki <3 I just trimmed my herd down to only two brood does, and one buck. I know I should be selecting for markings, but somehow, temper always seems to win me over. At least they seems to be putting on some size. Harlequins can be very slow to reach their full weight.
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Re: Harlequin (the breed) specifically Magpie

Post Number:#8  Unread postby SarniaTricia » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:15 am


Zass
Temperament is so important to me.... a brood doe with bad attitude will last a couple of litters if she throws kits I want.... but, she is only making her replacement!

I really like the breed in general.... My meat rabbits I select breeding partners to get pelt colours and patterns, so Harlequins just seemed like the logical next step....lol

Your rabbits look healthy and happy!
(I'm hoping to do a colony pen some day)

__________ Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:15 am __________

A question for all you Harlequin Breeders.... I have a Mixed Meat doe.... I was experimenting and bread her to my Magpie harlequin buck (I am waiting to pick-up a new one as this buck is a brother to all my current does.)

She produced two show marked Harlequin kits!
If their type is good, could I keep them for breeding, or am I just screwing up my Harlequins.

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Post Number:#9  Unread postby SableSteel » Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:06 pm


Wait to see if they have the right fur type. I wouldn't sell the kits or their descendants as harlequins, and I wouldn't linebreed back to them, but you could use them
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Post Number:#10  Unread postby SarniaTricia » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:19 am


SableSteel wrote:Wait to see if they have the right fur type. I wouldn't sell the kits or their descendants as harlequins, and I wouldn't linebreed back to them, but you could use them


Thanks Sable
I didn't think I wanted to use these guys for my "Harlequin" breeding... but I can show (If they have right fur type) and keep them in my meat breeding line.
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Post Number:#11  Unread postby ladysown » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:19 am


keep them and the line separate for at least four generations so you know what you have in there. Keep good records, keeping breeding their offspring harlequin. Toss each older generation (sell as proven breeders). Eventually there will be enough harlequin in them to call them harlequin.

Keep clean marked animals.
DO NOT keep animals with two white feet side by size, especially in the front... it breeds true...
Good clean face markings is a WOOT WOOT but not if the rest of the body is garbage.
A well put together rabbit will show off it's markings... a poorly put together won't. I used to breed harlequins.... they are a marvellous animal. Sold all my show quality rabbits to a guy who would show them all over the place and he placed with them consistently. :) Judges repeatedly told him what great rabbits they were. :)

Got out of them because I made a bad choice with a new buck and everything he produced was (to me) small and undersized and I got fed up and sold the lot of them.
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Post Number:#12  Unread postby SarniaTricia » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:35 am


ladysown wrote:keep them and the line separate for at least four generations so you know what you have in there. Keep good records, keeping breeding their offspring harlequin. Toss each older generation (sell as proven breeders). Eventually there will be enough harlequin in them to call them harlequin.

Keep clean marked animals.
DO NOT keep animals with two white feet side by size, especially in the front... it breeds true...
Good clean face markings is a WOOT WOOT but not if the rest of the body is garbage.
A well put together rabbit will show off it's markings... a poorly put together won't. I used to breed harlequins.... they are a marvellous animal. Sold all my show quality rabbits to a guy who would show them all over the place and he placed with them consistently. :) Judges repeatedly told him what great rabbits they were. :)

Got out of them because I made a bad choice with a new buck and everything he produced was (to me) small and undersized and I got fed up and sold the lot of them.


I like to show, so getting a split face on a kit is always exciting....
My foundation pair, were not the best quality, but they were what was available at the time, so I will do as you advised and keep that line separate (If they produce TYPE animals) until I am sure they will only throw Harlequin.

My foundation doe does not have the best "type", she was bread to a buck (sold him) that had good "type", but was a bit muddier than I wanted. They produced a buck that is not showable, also a bit muddier than I want, but I got him evaluated by a judge, and the judge had a lot of great things to say about his "type".
So, my foundation pair has produced a buck with good "type", and 3 does, 2 with good "type" and one built like her mom....

I am getting new stock next week.... New buck and two mature does, bread to a different buck.
I am hoping the "type" on this buck is a win... because 1 of my does has won BOG in 3 shows and has 1 leg.... I'm really hoping to expand on this and not go backwards.

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Re: Harlequin (the breed) specifically Magpie

Post Number:#13  Unread postby ladysown » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:25 pm


kiki is a gorgeous rabbit. :)

Keep that type. Know that 9 of 10 rabbits will be worthless as show stock...but not necessarily horrid as brood. Keep your end goal in mind. And remember they are a meat rabbit...not fancy show stock..

Breed for them to be at the higher end of their weight class and good type will show off their markings the best.
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Post Number:#14  Unread postby SarniaTricia » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:45 pm


Just a quick update on my Magpie Harlequin Herd.

Kiki won her second leg at the MSU MSRBA Show 4 March.
By the time Lapeer, MI rabbit show came around on the 25th, I had all the girls bred! lol (... well I thought I did....)

Mr. G did get a Best Opposite, but there wasn't enough rabbits to get a Leg for him.
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I have added two new rabbits to the herd.
Alice is the Grandmother to my founding Doe Ester and a young Chocolate Buck (Eric) who's pedigrees have been lost. (with his intense Colour saturation, I am willing to overlook that)

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Cinderella has been bred to Mr. G
Sheri has been bred to Eric
Fiona had a litter of 5 by Mr. G
Kiki, Ester and Dolly all missed the last breeding and will be bred outside to outside rabbits to improve the type on my rabbits. (so no Harlequins from them this round)
Lenny is feeling neglected (too bad buddy, better than being eaten)

I am really excited that Fiona has thrown a kit with a ear, face and front paw split!! the bars/banding on the body have a lot to be desired... but it is a start... lol ... Sheri has kits that have great body banding/barring, but lack of face markings... I'm seeing play dates in their future!!. :lol:
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Re: Harlequin (the breed) specifically Magpie

Post Number:#15  Unread postby Sagebrush » Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:52 am


They are all beautiful. I agree, I see "Play dates" in their future. :lol:

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